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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<title>By: Why Manism?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Manism?</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>complicity* and appalled* -- and if you have the time, please, feel free and edit better paragraphs of my 4am spewing... i certainly don&#039;t
best,
jon</description>
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best,<br />
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
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		<description>On the field of historical debate - and I don&#039;t mean feminist history, I mean the all or most history - there is actually a movement demanding that the history of masculinity be given equal parity with &quot;women&#039;s history&quot; - what do you think of that Jeff?</description>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number one, feminism is not some singular &quot;women&#039;s&quot; movement by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.  It is a set of social movements, philosophies, theories, and practices that you have completely BRUTALIZED.  You try to pose your call for &quot;manism&quot; as some &quot;counterpart&quot; of a homogenous for-Women-by-Women &quot;feminism&quot; that has failed to effectively overthrow patriarchy.  WOW.  Read a book.. immediately, please.  Even in the midst of second-wave feminism, a critique WITHIN feminism was being made against OTHER feminists.  Yes, that&#039;s right, a feminist is not a feminist is not a feminist. Namely, marxist feminists debunked liberal feminists&#039; focus on local and episodic grassroots activism that sought to reduce gender inequity and improve the well-being of women.  Marxist feminists eschewed liberal feminism for its disproportionate emphasis on political praxis and for a big dose of tunnel vision.  Marxist feminists specifically read gender inequities to be segments of large-scale structural violence and regimes of oppression.  Rather than looking at discrete episodes like &quot;women in the workplace,&quot; marxist feminists were incorporating a sustained analysis of gender and capitalism--and more towards the 1990s, an intersectional approach that took into account race, class, and ethnicity, towards an ultimate goal of seeing how issues with &quot;women in the workplace,&quot; for instance, are but only one product of a larger liberal capitalist regime to extort labor from women and discard them as an underclass.  This was DECADES ago.  The point is that there are huge issues with making a movement for-Men-by-Men, just as there are huge issues with making a movement for-Women-by-Women (and this is NOT feminism!).. this resembles a kind of liberal feminist strategy, which I would criticize on two important points: 1) given that all people in our society are subjectivated by the same discursive regimes, namely, white heteronormative capitalist patriarchy, it makes little sense to divide up into &quot;women&quot; groups and &quot;men&quot; groups because, as you suggest, such discourses differentially affect us.  Yes, they affect us in complicated and contradictory ways.  But what you are missing is that &quot;women&#039;s issues&quot; are not &quot;women&#039;s issues&quot; but &quot;gender issues&quot; and &quot;men&#039;s issues&quot; are not &quot;men&#039;s issues&quot; but &quot;gender issues.&quot;  And this brings me to my second point.  &quot;Man&quot; only becomes an intelligible social concept or cultural identity in definitive opposition to &quot;woman&quot; and vice-versa... the problem here is not &quot;men&#039;s issues&quot; or &quot;women&#039;s issues,&quot; but gender as a powerful regulative discourse in our society... for this reason, we need a comprehensive effort to subvert or transform this discourse that would require ALL perspectives and ALL subjectivities coming together to discuss, for instance, gender, NOT men&#039;s issues or women&#039;s issues... this brings me to by second point: 2) your call for &quot;manism&quot; rests on the underlying assumption that men and women are distinctly different, and I would argue, stabilizies dangerous systems of oppression like gender hierarchy by essentializing their worth... though you might be attempting to coalese a bunch of men together to strategize on how to make a level playing field with women, what you are really doing is reinscribing the differences between these two groups rather than bringing them together... A classic queer/feminist piece, Judith Butler&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Gender Trouble&lt;/i&gt;, as early as 1990 shows how gender, sex, and sexuality are socially reified understandings only are given meaning by social discourse... &#039;identities&#039; of gender, sex, and sexuality are, as Butler contends, performative.. the nature of this performance comes into being through the coersion and stylization of disciplinary regimes that intentionally give off the illusion of absolutist, essentialized, universal meaning... in short, for DECADES now, feminist theory has showed how categories of gender and sex are only rendered intelligible when state apparatuses deem them as such... thus, to argue that feminist is a &quot;women&#039;s&quot; movement and men need a complementary &quot;men&#039;s&quot; movement is an absolutely HEINOUS idea, lacking any clear merit whatsoever... we need comprehensive tactics of ALL peoples and ALL subjectivities working at local, episodic, institutional, and discursive levels to effectively overthrow dangerous structures of oppression like heteropatriarchy.  By calling for &quot;manism,&quot; what you are doing is re-stabilizing the cultural coherence of gender and sex rather than attempting to de-stabilize them.  Gender, itself, is a problem for most feminists today.  This is why, Butler&#039;s later book is titled &quot;Undoing Gender.&quot;  Most feminists have been over reducing &quot;gender inequities&quot; for decades now, a model that &quot;manism&quot; relies on; instead, they would read &quot;gender&quot; as a discourse which serves to oppress.  I would argue that any attempt to further stabilize the coherency of gender and sex, as I feel you do in your call for &quot;manism,&quot; is in fact COMPLICIT in such discursive tyranny, NOT &quot;progressive&quot; in the least.

Beyond the theoretical issues, however, I&#039;d also like to stress the complicated nature of what we&#039;re dealing with here, which third-wave feminism, queer theory, and more lately, queer of color analysis, has brought to light.  Most oppressed subjects have more ambivalent and complicated relationships with systems of power than your model allows for.  For instance, while I am politically against white heteronormative capitalist patriarchy, in the sheets I like to get smacked around and forced to submit by hot white heteronormative capitalist patiarchs--indeed, I have internalized structures of power to the point where my desires have become interpellated in the hierarchy with my oppressors.  Rather than viewing my own desires as a &quot;not subversive&quot; withdrawing that I need to fix, feminists, queer theorists, and others have argued that social change can be effected through transforming oppressive discourse from WITHIN the system.  Rather than unrealistically pretending I am OUTSIDE the system of oppression (i.e., with my understanding of systems of oppression, I am now &quot;OVER&quot; this and ready to fight and counteridentify with, for instance, heteropatriarchy), most subjects are fully interpellated within the system.  For instance, many women and gay men, for instance, may completely love being forced to submit in varied ways to empowered heteronormative men... I certainly enjoy it.  This is not to speak to some monolithic entity of minoritized subjects, but there are a great many of them who display this interpellation.  Despite being disempowered by a power hierarchy, having my interpellated little space in it (in the clearest and most concrete, condensed, example, e.g., having a white straight male aggressively make me give him head, for instance) brings about power in it of itself, as it is a space (relative to a non-space) within a system of power.  Though I am oppressed, minoritized subjects find ambivalent and contradictory relationships with the structures that tyrannize them.  This precludes strategies to overthrow these systems of oppression by reductive counteridentifactory tactics, that you suggest.  Instead, recently, many have argued that in order to transform such tyrannical discourses, such minoritized subjects take on &quot;disidentificatory&quot; tactics which decode high and mass cultural fields (typically oppressive ones) from the stance of a disempowered space *within* those very fields.. this is typically brought to light in performative politics through recycling and transfiguring raw material from these fields in novel and unpredictable ways, resulting in realistic subversion of powerful systems of regulation like gender.

Sorry, I have been kind of spewing.  Last quick point is that by making a &quot;men&#039;s movement&quot; to address &quot;men&#039;s&quot; complicitness in patriarchy, you are forcing people who do not identify with a gender, e.g., some transgenderists in particular, the ability to join a group.  To sum up my issues: 1) you brutalize feminism as some homogeneous &quot;women&#039;s movement&quot; that has effectively failed to overthrow patriarchy---go read a book or take a course or something..jesus!, 2) &quot;manism&quot; stabilizes regimes of oppression by assenting to gender&#039;s constitution of &quot;males&quot; and &quot;females,&quot; and essentializes these categories as truth-telling unproblematic identities---this is an issue, as has been throughly discussed for at least 3 decades now, 3) your project is tunnel-visioned, focusing too much on reducing social inequities rather than looking at social structures---this perspective would make you realize that we are ALL under the same tyrannical discourses of gender and thus we stand to benefit from working together in solidarity to overthrow this powerful regime, not work in a debilitating separatist and identitarian politics that calls for &quot;men&#039;s&quot; groups for &quot;men&#039;s takes&quot; and &quot;women&#039;s&quot; groups for &quot;women&#039;s takes&quot;---these categories have no coherence without oppressive discourse, and most feminists have realized this for, again, decades now...thus, feminism does not need a counterpart--that makes no sense whatsoever.. feminism is not about women, it is, in its various forms, typically about gender, among so many other things... and 4) you negate the complicated relationships between minoritized subjects and the structures that tyrannize them---for more on this, look to Jose Munoz&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Disidentifications&lt;/i&gt;, for instance... this renders such a reductive model you employ as blatantly unhelpful...

And, lastly, if you are going to be talking about gender, where the hell is your citation to sexuality?  Given that the regulation of sexuality is complicit in the regulation of gender, as almost any feminist or queer theorist could tell you, I was apalled to see sexuality go unmentioned in your call to arms for MEN... it exhudes the smell of heteropatriarchy to me... by &quot;MEN,&quot; you are calling for a bunch of straight men who paternalistically want to &quot;help&quot; women &quot;out of&quot; their disenfranchised minority subject space, highlighting &quot;men&#039;s&quot; own empowered status, probably to make yourselves feel good by abiding to (uncritical) mainstream liberal democratic egaliatarian &quot;progressive&quot; rhetoric.

I suggest you take a heavy dive into developments of feminisms (in particular, radical second-wave, and third-wave), gender studies, queer theory, and much much more... but, in its state right now, I find &quot;manism&quot; to not only be an unhelpful attempt at presumably overthrowing patriarchy, but also going in the opposite direction and re-stabilizing tyrannical discourses, under the guise of mainstream democratic rhetoric that wants to surface-level &quot;reduce&quot; social inequities... note that my critique has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that majoritarian subjects like yourselves want to &quot;help out&quot; in the fights---i completely welcome that... this has to do with your model... hope that helps.
Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number one, feminism is not some singular &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; movement by ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.  It is a set of social movements, philosophies, theories, and practices that you have completely BRUTALIZED.  You try to pose your call for &#8220;manism&#8221; as some &#8220;counterpart&#8221; of a homogenous for-Women-by-Women &#8220;feminism&#8221; that has failed to effectively overthrow patriarchy.  WOW.  Read a book.. immediately, please.  Even in the midst of second-wave feminism, a critique WITHIN feminism was being made against OTHER feminists.  Yes, that&#8217;s right, a feminist is not a feminist is not a feminist. Namely, marxist feminists debunked liberal feminists&#8217; focus on local and episodic grassroots activism that sought to reduce gender inequity and improve the well-being of women.  Marxist feminists eschewed liberal feminism for its disproportionate emphasis on political praxis and for a big dose of tunnel vision.  Marxist feminists specifically read gender inequities to be segments of large-scale structural violence and regimes of oppression.  Rather than looking at discrete episodes like &#8220;women in the workplace,&#8221; marxist feminists were incorporating a sustained analysis of gender and capitalism&#8211;and more towards the 1990s, an intersectional approach that took into account race, class, and ethnicity, towards an ultimate goal of seeing how issues with &#8220;women in the workplace,&#8221; for instance, are but only one product of a larger liberal capitalist regime to extort labor from women and discard them as an underclass.  This was DECADES ago.  The point is that there are huge issues with making a movement for-Men-by-Men, just as there are huge issues with making a movement for-Women-by-Women (and this is NOT feminism!).. this resembles a kind of liberal feminist strategy, which I would criticize on two important points: 1) given that all people in our society are subjectivated by the same discursive regimes, namely, white heteronormative capitalist patriarchy, it makes little sense to divide up into &#8220;women&#8221; groups and &#8220;men&#8221; groups because, as you suggest, such discourses differentially affect us.  Yes, they affect us in complicated and contradictory ways.  But what you are missing is that &#8220;women&#8217;s issues&#8221; are not &#8220;women&#8217;s issues&#8221; but &#8220;gender issues&#8221; and &#8220;men&#8217;s issues&#8221; are not &#8220;men&#8217;s issues&#8221; but &#8220;gender issues.&#8221;  And this brings me to my second point.  &#8220;Man&#8221; only becomes an intelligible social concept or cultural identity in definitive opposition to &#8220;woman&#8221; and vice-versa&#8230; the problem here is not &#8220;men&#8217;s issues&#8221; or &#8220;women&#8217;s issues,&#8221; but gender as a powerful regulative discourse in our society&#8230; for this reason, we need a comprehensive effort to subvert or transform this discourse that would require ALL perspectives and ALL subjectivities coming together to discuss, for instance, gender, NOT men&#8217;s issues or women&#8217;s issues&#8230; this brings me to by second point: 2) your call for &#8220;manism&#8221; rests on the underlying assumption that men and women are distinctly different, and I would argue, stabilizies dangerous systems of oppression like gender hierarchy by essentializing their worth&#8230; though you might be attempting to coalese a bunch of men together to strategize on how to make a level playing field with women, what you are really doing is reinscribing the differences between these two groups rather than bringing them together&#8230; A classic queer/feminist piece, Judith Butler&#8217;s <i>Gender Trouble</i>, as early as 1990 shows how gender, sex, and sexuality are socially reified understandings only are given meaning by social discourse&#8230; &#8216;identities&#8217; of gender, sex, and sexuality are, as Butler contends, performative.. the nature of this performance comes into being through the coersion and stylization of disciplinary regimes that intentionally give off the illusion of absolutist, essentialized, universal meaning&#8230; in short, for DECADES now, feminist theory has showed how categories of gender and sex are only rendered intelligible when state apparatuses deem them as such&#8230; thus, to argue that feminist is a &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; movement and men need a complementary &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; movement is an absolutely HEINOUS idea, lacking any clear merit whatsoever&#8230; we need comprehensive tactics of ALL peoples and ALL subjectivities working at local, episodic, institutional, and discursive levels to effectively overthrow dangerous structures of oppression like heteropatriarchy.  By calling for &#8220;manism,&#8221; what you are doing is re-stabilizing the cultural coherence of gender and sex rather than attempting to de-stabilize them.  Gender, itself, is a problem for most feminists today.  This is why, Butler&#8217;s later book is titled &#8220;Undoing Gender.&#8221;  Most feminists have been over reducing &#8220;gender inequities&#8221; for decades now, a model that &#8220;manism&#8221; relies on; instead, they would read &#8220;gender&#8221; as a discourse which serves to oppress.  I would argue that any attempt to further stabilize the coherency of gender and sex, as I feel you do in your call for &#8220;manism,&#8221; is in fact COMPLICIT in such discursive tyranny, NOT &#8220;progressive&#8221; in the least.</p>
<p>Beyond the theoretical issues, however, I&#8217;d also like to stress the complicated nature of what we&#8217;re dealing with here, which third-wave feminism, queer theory, and more lately, queer of color analysis, has brought to light.  Most oppressed subjects have more ambivalent and complicated relationships with systems of power than your model allows for.  For instance, while I am politically against white heteronormative capitalist patriarchy, in the sheets I like to get smacked around and forced to submit by hot white heteronormative capitalist patiarchs&#8211;indeed, I have internalized structures of power to the point where my desires have become interpellated in the hierarchy with my oppressors.  Rather than viewing my own desires as a &#8220;not subversive&#8221; withdrawing that I need to fix, feminists, queer theorists, and others have argued that social change can be effected through transforming oppressive discourse from WITHIN the system.  Rather than unrealistically pretending I am OUTSIDE the system of oppression (i.e., with my understanding of systems of oppression, I am now &#8220;OVER&#8221; this and ready to fight and counteridentify with, for instance, heteropatriarchy), most subjects are fully interpellated within the system.  For instance, many women and gay men, for instance, may completely love being forced to submit in varied ways to empowered heteronormative men&#8230; I certainly enjoy it.  This is not to speak to some monolithic entity of minoritized subjects, but there are a great many of them who display this interpellation.  Despite being disempowered by a power hierarchy, having my interpellated little space in it (in the clearest and most concrete, condensed, example, e.g., having a white straight male aggressively make me give him head, for instance) brings about power in it of itself, as it is a space (relative to a non-space) within a system of power.  Though I am oppressed, minoritized subjects find ambivalent and contradictory relationships with the structures that tyrannize them.  This precludes strategies to overthrow these systems of oppression by reductive counteridentifactory tactics, that you suggest.  Instead, recently, many have argued that in order to transform such tyrannical discourses, such minoritized subjects take on &#8220;disidentificatory&#8221; tactics which decode high and mass cultural fields (typically oppressive ones) from the stance of a disempowered space *within* those very fields.. this is typically brought to light in performative politics through recycling and transfiguring raw material from these fields in novel and unpredictable ways, resulting in realistic subversion of powerful systems of regulation like gender.</p>
<p>Sorry, I have been kind of spewing.  Last quick point is that by making a &#8220;men&#8217;s movement&#8221; to address &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; complicitness in patriarchy, you are forcing people who do not identify with a gender, e.g., some transgenderists in particular, the ability to join a group.  To sum up my issues: 1) you brutalize feminism as some homogeneous &#8220;women&#8217;s movement&#8221; that has effectively failed to overthrow patriarchy&#8212;go read a book or take a course or something..jesus!, 2) &#8220;manism&#8221; stabilizes regimes of oppression by assenting to gender&#8217;s constitution of &#8220;males&#8221; and &#8220;females,&#8221; and essentializes these categories as truth-telling unproblematic identities&#8212;this is an issue, as has been throughly discussed for at least 3 decades now, 3) your project is tunnel-visioned, focusing too much on reducing social inequities rather than looking at social structures&#8212;this perspective would make you realize that we are ALL under the same tyrannical discourses of gender and thus we stand to benefit from working together in solidarity to overthrow this powerful regime, not work in a debilitating separatist and identitarian politics that calls for &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; groups for &#8220;men&#8217;s takes&#8221; and &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; groups for &#8220;women&#8217;s takes&#8221;&#8212;these categories have no coherence without oppressive discourse, and most feminists have realized this for, again, decades now&#8230;thus, feminism does not need a counterpart&#8211;that makes no sense whatsoever.. feminism is not about women, it is, in its various forms, typically about gender, among so many other things&#8230; and 4) you negate the complicated relationships between minoritized subjects and the structures that tyrannize them&#8212;for more on this, look to Jose Munoz&#8217;s <i>Disidentifications</i>, for instance&#8230; this renders such a reductive model you employ as blatantly unhelpful&#8230;</p>
<p>And, lastly, if you are going to be talking about gender, where the hell is your citation to sexuality?  Given that the regulation of sexuality is complicit in the regulation of gender, as almost any feminist or queer theorist could tell you, I was apalled to see sexuality go unmentioned in your call to arms for MEN&#8230; it exhudes the smell of heteropatriarchy to me&#8230; by &#8220;MEN,&#8221; you are calling for a bunch of straight men who paternalistically want to &#8220;help&#8221; women &#8220;out of&#8221; their disenfranchised minority subject space, highlighting &#8220;men&#8217;s&#8221; own empowered status, probably to make yourselves feel good by abiding to (uncritical) mainstream liberal democratic egaliatarian &#8220;progressive&#8221; rhetoric.</p>
<p>I suggest you take a heavy dive into developments of feminisms (in particular, radical second-wave, and third-wave), gender studies, queer theory, and much much more&#8230; but, in its state right now, I find &#8220;manism&#8221; to not only be an unhelpful attempt at presumably overthrowing patriarchy, but also going in the opposite direction and re-stabilizing tyrannical discourses, under the guise of mainstream democratic rhetoric that wants to surface-level &#8220;reduce&#8221; social inequities&#8230; note that my critique has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that majoritarian subjects like yourselves want to &#8220;help out&#8221; in the fights&#8212;i completely welcome that&#8230; this has to do with your model&#8230; hope that helps.<br />
Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to clarify part of my argument.

A few people have talked to me about how implicit in my argument are certain sexist assumptions, namely, that men somehow need their own movement in order to understand/appreciate the goals of feminism.

I don&#039;t think they do.  I mean, I certainly don&#039;t.  I&#039;m a proud male feminist, but I do know that as a male feminist, it&#039;s very hard to reach men.  As an activist on a college campus, I find it extremely difficult to reach men, and the many women I talk to who are also involved in activist work also find it very difficult.  My goal here is not to create a movement for men that has separate goals from the feminist movement, but to somehow create a movement that does reach men.

Another critique I&#039;ve been told, verbally, is that the name &quot;manism&quot; is sexist in and of itself.  I&#039;ll own up to that.  I really don&#039;t know what to call a male movement that is the counterpart to feminism (in terms of expressing the same philosophy repackaged differently to reach their respective audiences more effectively).  Masculinism doesn&#039;t really roll off the tongue.  I&#039;m certainly open to any suggestions as to what to call it.  I think it&#039;s important that it does have a name, just at a very practical level so that adherents to a movement can describe their movement in a word, and have some sort of ownership over the ideas, as well as find information about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify part of my argument.</p>
<p>A few people have talked to me about how implicit in my argument are certain sexist assumptions, namely, that men somehow need their own movement in order to understand/appreciate the goals of feminism.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they do.  I mean, I certainly don&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m a proud male feminist, but I do know that as a male feminist, it&#8217;s very hard to reach men.  As an activist on a college campus, I find it extremely difficult to reach men, and the many women I talk to who are also involved in activist work also find it very difficult.  My goal here is not to create a movement for men that has separate goals from the feminist movement, but to somehow create a movement that does reach men.</p>
<p>Another critique I&#8217;ve been told, verbally, is that the name &#8220;manism&#8221; is sexist in and of itself.  I&#8217;ll own up to that.  I really don&#8217;t know what to call a male movement that is the counterpart to feminism (in terms of expressing the same philosophy repackaged differently to reach their respective audiences more effectively).  Masculinism doesn&#8217;t really roll off the tongue.  I&#8217;m certainly open to any suggestions as to what to call it.  I think it&#8217;s important that it does have a name, just at a very practical level so that adherents to a movement can describe their movement in a word, and have some sort of ownership over the ideas, as well as find information about it.</p>
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		<title>By: josh kiok</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2007/10/31/manism/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>josh kiok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can have one hell of a time resolving this thesis and antithesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can have one hell of a time resolving this thesis and antithesis.</p>
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