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	<title>Comments on: On Democracy and Participation</title>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not objecting to the description, though I&#039;m a little disappointed with how easily you came by it. I was originally a bit flattered.

Anyway, I don&#039;t dispute your assessment of student politics, you&#039;re absolutely right in many regards. I bridled at a few of your comments, which seemed needlessly sectarian. Though, in fairness, you are a Lib-Dem.

You&#039;re right about engaging students; where I was poking sticks was that you didn&#039;t really engage with the deeper issues surrounding exactly that problem. But if you&#039;re not interested, so be it. We all move on - no doubt in five years I&#039;ll not give a toss about the NUS either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not objecting to the description, though I&#8217;m a little disappointed with how easily you came by it. I was originally a bit flattered.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t dispute your assessment of student politics, you&#8217;re absolutely right in many regards. I bridled at a few of your comments, which seemed needlessly sectarian. Though, in fairness, you are a Lib-Dem.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about engaging students; where I was poking sticks was that you didn&#8217;t really engage with the deeper issues surrounding exactly that problem. But if you&#8217;re not interested, so be it. We all move on &#8211; no doubt in five years I&#8217;ll not give a toss about the NUS either.</p>
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		<title>By: James Graham</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may not like me calling you “an anti-NOLSie Leninist who happens to be a card carrying Labour Party member,” but you do slag off Labour Students in your last post, you do admit to being a Labour Party member and you do quote Lenin favourably at the top of your blog.  What part of that description is inaccurate?

Do I hang out with lefty student hacks?  Lord, no.  I&#039;m in my thirties; what kind of a nonce do you take me for?  Nor do I claim any advanced knowledge about student politics today, other than that it looks remarkably similar to student politics 10 years ago - i.e. crammed with self-serving egotists.

My main argument on my own blog, which you carefully don&#039;t refute, is that the student reputation in NUS does not even vaguely resemble the political views of the student population, and that that is the main problem with democracy in NUS.  I&#039;m not opposed to any current moves to so-called &quot;democratise&quot; NUS, not least of all because I don&#039;t have the faintest idea of what they are, but you could have the world&#039;s most democratic conference and the world&#039;s most NEC and you still wouldn&#039;t be democratic if only the smallest proportion of students actually bothered to engage with it.

That may not interest you.  To be quite honest, having moved on a long time ago, it doesn&#039;t really interest me either (this being the only blog post I&#039;ve written about NUS and likely to be the only one I write for another decade).  But I do continue to insist that for NUS to matter, that is the problem it must crack.

When I was a student, the only thing NUS offered the main student population was cheap beer.  Has this really changed so much?  At least Caesar offered bread &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; circuses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not like me calling you “an anti-NOLSie Leninist who happens to be a card carrying Labour Party member,” but you do slag off Labour Students in your last post, you do admit to being a Labour Party member and you do quote Lenin favourably at the top of your blog.  What part of that description is inaccurate?</p>
<p>Do I hang out with lefty student hacks?  Lord, no.  I&#8217;m in my thirties; what kind of a nonce do you take me for?  Nor do I claim any advanced knowledge about student politics today, other than that it looks remarkably similar to student politics 10 years ago &#8211; i.e. crammed with self-serving egotists.</p>
<p>My main argument on my own blog, which you carefully don&#8217;t refute, is that the student reputation in NUS does not even vaguely resemble the political views of the student population, and that that is the main problem with democracy in NUS.  I&#8217;m not opposed to any current moves to so-called &#8220;democratise&#8221; NUS, not least of all because I don&#8217;t have the faintest idea of what they are, but you could have the world&#8217;s most democratic conference and the world&#8217;s most NEC and you still wouldn&#8217;t be democratic if only the smallest proportion of students actually bothered to engage with it.</p>
<p>That may not interest you.  To be quite honest, having moved on a long time ago, it doesn&#8217;t really interest me either (this being the only blog post I&#8217;ve written about NUS and likely to be the only one I write for another decade).  But I do continue to insist that for NUS to matter, that is the problem it must crack.</p>
<p>When I was a student, the only thing NUS offered the main student population was cheap beer.  Has this really changed so much?  At least Caesar offered bread <em>and</em> circuses.</p>
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