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	<title>Comments on: Heroes of the Working Class</title>
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	<description>&#34;We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run down&#34; - Aneurin Bevan, 1953</description>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2008/09/19/heroes-of-the-working-class/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Labour as a broad church, for the Party hacks and the Party Right, only extends to those who don&#039;t potentially threaten their control of the Labour Party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour as a broad church, for the Party hacks and the Party Right, only extends to those who don&#8217;t potentially threaten their control of the Labour Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Marks</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2008/09/19/heroes-of-the-working-class/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie Marks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 00:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Trotskyists should be forced by reformists to stick to trotskyist parties.&quot;

No wonder you love Kinnockio, mate...

Whatever happened to Labour as a broad church?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Trotskyists should be forced by reformists to stick to trotskyist parties.&#8221;</p>
<p>No wonder you love Kinnockio, mate&#8230;</p>
<p>Whatever happened to Labour as a broad church?</p>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2008/09/19/heroes-of-the-working-class/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is your problem. Having displaced the working class as the only possible motor for social change, your find yourself at the mercy of the &quot;hegemony&quot; strategy. When your &quot;hegemony&quot; is faced with the arsenal of capitalism, reacting as it inevitably must, it will vanish into the mist and where will socialism be then?

You think you can compromise with the people who are in effect the class enemy because compromise has been enshrined as a cornerstone of your politics. This directly relates to my earlier criticisms on you and on Compass: you want a revolution without the revolution.

Society just doesn&#039;t work that way. Don&#039;t get me wrong, there are plenty of areas of Marxism which require additional clarity - areas that are inadequately addressed by Marx&#039; political successors such as Trotsky and Lenin - but none of them, including Gramsci, were so deluded, so disillusioned with the structural inscription of the working class at the heart of society as to denounce a revolutionary seizure of power.

Within that seizure, there are many methods and policies to be attended to - but by abolishing the only mechanism by which capitalism can be overcome, we tie our own hands. In fact, worse still, such people become directly counter-revolutionary and Parliamentarism is elevated into a fetish.

So yeah, I think I will stick with my critique of Compass - and yourself by implication - as intellectual masturbators. Certainly not the architects of real change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is your problem. Having displaced the working class as the only possible motor for social change, your find yourself at the mercy of the &#8220;hegemony&#8221; strategy. When your &#8220;hegemony&#8221; is faced with the arsenal of capitalism, reacting as it inevitably must, it will vanish into the mist and where will socialism be then?</p>
<p>You think you can compromise with the people who are in effect the class enemy because compromise has been enshrined as a cornerstone of your politics. This directly relates to my earlier criticisms on you and on Compass: you want a revolution without the revolution.</p>
<p>Society just doesn&#8217;t work that way. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, there are plenty of areas of Marxism which require additional clarity &#8211; areas that are inadequately addressed by Marx&#8217; political successors such as Trotsky and Lenin &#8211; but none of them, including Gramsci, were so deluded, so disillusioned with the structural inscription of the working class at the heart of society as to denounce a revolutionary seizure of power.</p>
<p>Within that seizure, there are many methods and policies to be attended to &#8211; but by abolishing the only mechanism by which capitalism can be overcome, we tie our own hands. In fact, worse still, such people become directly counter-revolutionary and Parliamentarism is elevated into a fetish.</p>
<p>So yeah, I think I will stick with my critique of Compass &#8211; and yourself by implication &#8211; as intellectual masturbators. Certainly not the architects of real change.</p>
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		<title>By: Miller 2.0</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2008/09/19/heroes-of-the-working-class/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miller 2.0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is an outright firesale of ideals for the sake of banking enough political capital with Right media, business and establishment to acquire personal status.&quot;

Though this is obviously negative, I feel that it is a price worth paying as an otherwise insurmountable obstacle to Social Democracy. Further, I think that you can compromise your way round it without wholesale abandonment of principle.

On Kinnock, he is certainly a hero to me. In my view Labour&#039;s historical mission is to represent working class politics through parliament. This goes far beyond the propagandist candidacies acceded to by those with revolutionary and extra-parliamentary aims and demands.

Trotskyists should be forced by reformists to stick to trotskyist parties.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is an outright firesale of ideals for the sake of banking enough political capital with Right media, business and establishment to acquire personal status.&#8221;</p>
<p>Though this is obviously negative, I feel that it is a price worth paying as an otherwise insurmountable obstacle to Social Democracy. Further, I think that you can compromise your way round it without wholesale abandonment of principle.</p>
<p>On Kinnock, he is certainly a hero to me. In my view Labour&#8217;s historical mission is to represent working class politics through parliament. This goes far beyond the propagandist candidacies acceded to by those with revolutionary and extra-parliamentary aims and demands.</p>
<p>Trotskyists should be forced by reformists to stick to trotskyist parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The very idea that Ed Balls can honestly pick Aneurin Bevan as the greatest hero of the Labour Party makes me want to cackle insanely.&lt;/i&gt;

Since the last contemporary Gaitskellites passed or retired from the party ranks, everyone has tried to claim Bevan&#039;s mantle. The classic was John Reid&#039;s announcement that New Labour was the natural heir to Bevanism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The very idea that Ed Balls can honestly pick Aneurin Bevan as the greatest hero of the Labour Party makes me want to cackle insanely.</i></p>
<p>Since the last contemporary Gaitskellites passed or retired from the party ranks, everyone has tried to claim Bevan&#8217;s mantle. The classic was John Reid&#8217;s announcement that New Labour was the natural heir to Bevanism.</p>
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