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		<title>By: noel</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[noel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, I referred to your &quot;post about the regional minimum wage&quot;, not stating you supported it. Apologies if that&#039;s what you thought was implied.

In fact, I myself am advocating for taking the living wage campaign out to the regions (as indicated by the title of my post...), not for the regionalisation of the minimum wage...

Pity you dislike all things Compass, I guess I should have put my post on another website, you may have reacted differently to it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I referred to your &#8220;post about the regional minimum wage&#8221;, not stating you supported it. Apologies if that&#8217;s what you thought was implied.</p>
<p>In fact, I myself am advocating for taking the living wage campaign out to the regions (as indicated by the title of my post&#8230;), not for the regionalisation of the minimum wage&#8230;</p>
<p>Pity you dislike all things Compass, I guess I should have put my post on another website, you may have reacted differently to it!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh well, maybe I was doing something wrong. I&#039;m a bit thick with computers at times.  Shame, first comment (yesterday) was quite long with quotes and stuff, and even the word &#039;heuristic&#039;,  partly because I thought you might enjoy dismantling as laziness the whole notion of heurism.  But because I&#039;m a thicko I forgot to save it somewhere before posting.  May repeat later after a fashion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, maybe I was doing something wrong. I&#8217;m a bit thick with computers at times.  Shame, first comment (yesterday) was quite long with quotes and stuff, and even the word &#8216;heuristic&#8217;,  partly because I thought you might enjoy dismantling as laziness the whole notion of heurism.  But because I&#8217;m a thicko I forgot to save it somewhere before posting.  May repeat later after a fashion.</p>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No...I get emailed every time there&#039;s a comment posted - even spam - but there have only been these two comments from you thus far this morning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No&#8230;I get emailed every time there&#8217;s a comment posted &#8211; even spam &#8211; but there have only been these two comments from you thus far this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just on technical point - that was the third of three comments from me on this page.  You get the other two?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just on technical point &#8211; that was the third of three comments from me on this page.  You get the other two?</p>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I just read that article; strange that my article on the regional minimum wage should be used as a touchstone without critical engagement at any point. *shrugs* Not much I can do about that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I just read that article; strange that my article on the regional minimum wage should be used as a touchstone without critical engagement at any point. *shrugs* Not much I can do about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, talking of hatred for all things Compass, I see your views on regional minimum wage are being utterly misrepresneted at Compass Youth.  Apparently, you now support the regional minimum wage wholeheartedly and you&#039;ve never heard of collective bargaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, talking of hatred for all things Compass, I see your views on regional minimum wage are being utterly misrepresneted at Compass Youth.  Apparently, you now support the regional minimum wage wholeheartedly and you&#8217;ve never heard of collective bargaining.</p>
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		<title>By: David Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-943</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t mind Lacanian digression - whilst I sternly disagree with Zizek&#039;s pretensions to Marxism, for example, at least he is amusing. And often there is a nugget of interest behind what he says.

I have read Wood&#039;s book - she makes an excellent case. Before reading it, I had not come across Poulantzas. After reading it, I found myself loaded up with a burning dislike for Compass.

Unfortunately, although Laclau and Mouffe may have receded from the scene, their successors are very definitely still around...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind Lacanian digression &#8211; whilst I sternly disagree with Zizek&#8217;s pretensions to Marxism, for example, at least he is amusing. And often there is a nugget of interest behind what he says.</p>
<p>I have read Wood&#8217;s book &#8211; she makes an excellent case. Before reading it, I had not come across Poulantzas. After reading it, I found myself loaded up with a burning dislike for Compass.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, although Laclau and Mouffe may have receded from the scene, their successors are very definitely still around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: a very public sociologist</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2009/01/01/beginnings-of-a-critiquepost-marxism/#comment-942</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a very public sociologist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 23:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A v good overview of L&amp;M, Dave. In case you haven&#039;t come across it, Ellen Meiksin&#039;s Wood wrote a devstating critique of their views called &#039;The Retreat from Class: The New &#039;True&#039; Socialism in the mid 80s, and to this day I haven&#039;t come across a better Marxist reply. She agrees with your diagnosis that their post-Marxism is useless from the standpoint of struggle. What they have managed to do is vulgarise hegemony into terms that can be deployed as a social democratic electoral strategy. From my point of view, what they did was render the very possibility of social explanation, and thereby Marxism and sociology, problematic.

The other main point Wood makes regards the democratic pretensions of L&amp;M&#039;s piece. As was/is fashionable, they make clear their opposition to &quot;vanguardism&quot;. And yet their alternative is to build up a hegemonic bloc of numerous subject positions, which is, if memory serves, is held together by a dialogue &quot;articulated&quot; by the intellectuals. In other words, the role the party occupied in Gramscian hegemony has come to be occupied by ... academics like themselves. It&#039;s unsurprising both subsequently disappeared up their arses - Laclau who knows where, and Mouffe into the exciting world of &quot;post-Heideggerian hermeneutics&quot;.

Another thing I remember from reading the book was how angry it made me. Not because it was overly pretentious (though there is that annoying tendency to slip into entirely avoidable Lacanian digressions), but that the &#039;Marxism&#039; they were critiquing was the most clunky and mechanical load of cobblers they could find. Their understanding of dialectics and materialism was so glaring that it made the Marxism I learned by rote at A Level look sublime. It was obvious they had little acquaintance with Marx&#039;s primary texts. But what it did do was establish a trend among left leaning PoMo academics to write Marxism off as a mechanistic embarrassment on the basis of received opinion. Arrrgh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A v good overview of L&amp;M, Dave. In case you haven&#8217;t come across it, Ellen Meiksin&#8217;s Wood wrote a devstating critique of their views called &#8216;The Retreat from Class: The New &#8216;True&#8217; Socialism in the mid 80s, and to this day I haven&#8217;t come across a better Marxist reply. She agrees with your diagnosis that their post-Marxism is useless from the standpoint of struggle. What they have managed to do is vulgarise hegemony into terms that can be deployed as a social democratic electoral strategy. From my point of view, what they did was render the very possibility of social explanation, and thereby Marxism and sociology, problematic.</p>
<p>The other main point Wood makes regards the democratic pretensions of L&amp;M&#8217;s piece. As was/is fashionable, they make clear their opposition to &#8220;vanguardism&#8221;. And yet their alternative is to build up a hegemonic bloc of numerous subject positions, which is, if memory serves, is held together by a dialogue &#8220;articulated&#8221; by the intellectuals. In other words, the role the party occupied in Gramscian hegemony has come to be occupied by &#8230; academics like themselves. It&#8217;s unsurprising both subsequently disappeared up their arses &#8211; Laclau who knows where, and Mouffe into the exciting world of &#8220;post-Heideggerian hermeneutics&#8221;.</p>
<p>Another thing I remember from reading the book was how angry it made me. Not because it was overly pretentious (though there is that annoying tendency to slip into entirely avoidable Lacanian digressions), but that the &#8216;Marxism&#8217; they were critiquing was the most clunky and mechanical load of cobblers they could find. Their understanding of dialectics and materialism was so glaring that it made the Marxism I learned by rote at A Level look sublime. It was obvious they had little acquaintance with Marx&#8217;s primary texts. But what it did do was establish a trend among left leaning PoMo academics to write Marxism off as a mechanistic embarrassment on the basis of received opinion. Arrrgh!</p>
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