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For democratic centralism?

Democratic centralism, as an organisational form, cannot be entirely separated from the programmatic content of a socialist party. If we accept that the processes of capitalism are central to creating our world, including the means for changing it, then we descend from some abstract and universal model of political organisation to the concrete one of how best we go from point A, where we are now, to point B, where we’d like to be.

This is what democratic centralism aims to address, through its myriad features.

Whether reformist socialist or revolutionary socialist, point A and B are the same – from the current capitalist system to a socialist system of ownership, exchange and democracy. The question is not abstract, it is concrete – it is about how we go from point A to point B. And I think that democratic centralism is the answer to organising a movement that will achieve the transition.

Like Louis Proyect, I see some utility in the model of Lenin’s Bolsheviks. Members oblige themselves to take part in the political work of the party and in return are accorded a free say in the aims and tactics of the party. Those organs (e.g. newspapers) created out of party funds give room to different factions to argue their perspective according to their support, and collectively the party chooses which perspective is the one to follow in practice.

Having taken that decision, party members are obliged to abide by it, even if they disagree with it – but at no time should their disagreement constrain their rights as party members. Disagreements should be public, and civil, and on each question which produces factions, the party membership should be encouraged to make up its own mind via resolutions discussed and passed at branch level, ultimately to be submitted to a national conference of members.

Branches elect people to administer the branch and delegates to a central congress; the central congress chooses people to administer organs of the party – such as the newspaper, journal etc – and the central committee and its sister committees for important subjects such as racism, women’s rights and so on. The central committee then attempts to implement policies determined by the branches and congress.

As far as I have ever been concerned, these are the bones of democratic centralism. In theory, it secures the structure of the party from the ground up – and so long as individual members of the party are unwilling to simply accept everything the elected leadership says at face value, and instead query everything, then the means exist for that membership to hold their leadership to account.

This is important, because the bottom level of the socialist party is essentially synonymous with the advanced layers of the working class – those workers who are awake to the need for political struggle on their own behalf. That every member takes part in political work, and that this membership is bolstered by efforts to recruit whole layers of the class, via trades union branches, district trades councils and so on, secure this organic connection between party and class, and form a material context within which the debates of the party will be held.

Such synonymity gives the party the sinews necessary to quickly and efficiently respond to pressure from the ground up, and gives the confidence necessary to organise actions by the working class as a whole.

Again, this element does not develop independently from programmatic demands. A party wishing to concentrate solely upon parliamentary means has no need of sinews amongst the working class; indeed exclusively parliamentary means imply a rejection of any degree of class analysis. A political movement wishing to win the battle with the capitalists outright needs a means of carrying people from words to deeds.

It is my view that no better model exists by which to do this, and by this overthrow capitalism, than a democratic-centralist mass party consisting of shop floor workers and stewards, organised across factories, stores, offices and localities all around the country.

With regard to the above, what exactly to call this particular system of organisation has always been a problem. It has been de rigeur, almost, for some left groups to denounce every other group as ‘bureaucratic’ or using some other slur for their mistakes – but if we accept that the above is essentially the way both Lenin and Trotsky expected organisations to act, I think it’s fair to call it democratic centralism.

Standard criticisms of democratic centralism are manifold; the enforced ‘discipline’ needlessly creates splits, it is open to abuse by a ‘bad’ leadership, it unecessarily silences the opinions of minorities or even majorities within the party and so on. Dave Osler, who professes to oppose democratic centralism, has a recent summary of a lot of the criticisms and an example of some of the problems in play.

One way to answer such criticisms is to ask, were these problems caused by the applications of ‘democratic centralism’ (as I understand the term – and my travails in tracing the lineage and usage of the term are far from comprehensive), or by its misapplication?

I could add a few things to Dave O’s criticisms: in my argument with Louise, I pointed out how few of the current examples of socialist parties allowed space for factions to argue their point, and I suspect most party members don’t realise this should be their right. If one looks at the history of the Militant Tendency, for example, it becomes clear than Alan Woods and Ted Grant were simply batshit crazy ideologues who had way too much power and over whose written works someone else’s editorial judgment was not exercised half enough.

Were leaders forced to give over their pontification space to members, I think a much healthier internal regime would develop.

Where disagreements do occur, some groups seem especially quick to use the tool of expulsion in order to silence dissent. Splinty has some excellent stuff on this type of thing; here he discusses the CPGB (the old one). The culture of any given party is also important – though culture is influenced by the party organisation: if people are appointed by the leadership, and deference to leadership is rewarded then that’s a recipe for disaster – as members of the SWP, like Chris Harman, have recently noted.

Additionally, the presence of party full-timers or the practice of the outgoing executive committee selecting the incoming one, to be rubber stamped by national conference – as opposed to a free vote – are also practices I disagree with in the context of bourgeois democracy.

Yet I don’t believe any of this is unique to democratic centralism; in fact questions such as this apply to every form of political organisation. There is no magical formula, to borrow Trotsky’s words, which will guarantee an internal regime free of strife.

If we compare these criticisms of democratic centralist organisations with, say, the Labour Party, we meet many of them in different form. The raising of some members of the Labour Party above others, via parliamentary salaries, creates the sort of cast which the CPSU created post-Russian Revolution – to the point where members of the PLP now simply court one another and arrange their platforms without reference to the party members to whom they owe their position. There is a cursus honorum which members can travel by virtue of top-down patronage.

Party full-timers speak with pride about how they infringe the rights of party members to select their own candidates, or party activists – with the appropriate democratic sanction – to speak their mind without fear of having their CLP taken over. There’s a good exchange between Hopi Sen and Alex Hilton at Hopi’s place which, in the comments, outlines some of the critiques people – who aren’t even particularly Left-wing – have of the lack of democracy in Labour (and Hopi makes the rebuttal for the Right).

National conference has no power. Control of the state insulates the government against the party. Failure in union democracy compounds failure in party democracy by virtue of the union block vote. There are no party publications, collectively funded, in which people get to speak their minds according to the level of support their faction enjoys. Instead there are endless press releases, paid-for mailshots, emails and every other type of propaganda one can think of directed from the leadership at the members.

All of this and Labour is not a democratic centralist organisation. I don’t know what we might call Labour – but even in the days of ‘old’ Labour, some of these criticisms were still valid. In both cases, a leadership can entrench itself using every type of bureaucratic trick imaginable. The key is to analyse each concrete situation oneself, to determine the correct policy and tactic and then make use of party democracy to advocate that tactic both alone and by seeking support from other party members as part of a faction.

This is what I have always considered to be democratic centralism.

Organisational matters are ever complicated by the capitalist context in which we live. The Party cannot exist outside of capitalist hegemony; its members may use Marxist analysis to deconstruct that hegemony – of racism, homophobia, anti-immigrant bias, anti-chav snobbery and so on – but that’s not to say they are immune to all of its effects all of the time. The anchor of the Party is the working class – and the organic, democratic link with that class ensures, as well as self-conscious analysis, will ensure a correct course.

Which explains, perhaps, why so many of the existing groupuscles have quirky tendencies – their very isolation, rather than their organisational qualities, creates such problems.

There is also the question of bad policies and tactics having negative effects on the internal life of the Party. Diluting the class programme of the Party, it stands to reason, is liable to attract people who are interested by things other than the core focus upon organising the working class to oppose capitalism. Certain types of work are more liable to pick up idle hangers-on and the uncommitted than others.*

Once that begins to happen, once an organisation develops an exceptionally high turnover rate of members, who are not necessarily working class or orientated towards the working class, then its leadership will feel under siege and steps will be taken by that leadership to protect the ‘socialist’ thrust of the organisation, steps which reduce democracy in the Party.

The ‘special knowledge’ which the leadership is seen to claim in a situation such as this is actually its opposite – a result of bad policies or bad tactics and a lack of confidence in the grassroots.

Every political party can be wrong, every individual can be wrong. Tactical mistakes will be made. However, the existence of the Party depends upon the material processes of capitalism – the oppression and exploitation of the working class. So long as the party aims to defend that class, and is of and/or connected to that class, bad policies can eventually be corrected without splits and collapses.**

Whatever we call an organisational structure which aims at this consistently, it has in mind the same aim as democratic centralism had for Lenin and Trotsky – and the same open, forthright attitude to their public, the working class.***

Discussing all this from an individual perspective, what remains is whether or not any of the existing parties – from Labour to the most extreme ultra-lefts (the Sparts?) – has the promise of developing an internal life and structure in keeping with what we’d like to see. Labour certainly doesn’t, and as Louise and I mentioned in our arguments, linked to above, the bad experience of many with the Socialist Alliance casts a cloud over the other parties – though some, like the Socialist Party, are more hopeful than others.

Personally, I am completely disenchanted with the internal life of the Labour Party – and it is my view, succinctly expressed at Susan’s blog, that no change will now come to Labour from within. This is why I have been exploring options external to the Labour Party – including the Socialist Workers’ Party and the Socialist Party. If one reads the organisational ideas of which I am in favour, and the organisational ideas which I reject, Labour falls foul of virtually all of them and I have yet to see a competent exposition of how that will change.

Not to say the alternatives are perfect – but my lodestar is to an organisation that displays the democratic centralist qualities which I value: openness with party members and the class, accountability, the right to form factions, opposition to hero worship, the fostering of a critical mindset and finally unity in action.

* I don’t mean, by this, to dismiss the importance of the ‘cultural turn’ in academic studies of politics, or the value of ‘identity’ politics – but there are two methods for campaigning on such issues. One, beloved of the liberal intelligentsia, is basically to become the popular adjunct to think-tanks and NGOs and lobby parliament and the media establishment to create something of a furore. There are so many recent examples of this. The other is to directly organise workers to oppose homophobia, racism, sexism and all the rest of it themselves, and to encourage them to get still other workers onside. It involves having difficult conversation in the workplace, a renewed relevance to union branches and basically the recreation of struggle from the ground up – and avoids the charge of being overly economistic. Each of these things then link back into the wider politico-economic struggle.

** Some of the byzantine debates from parties, over the years, have resulted from tension between mortally opposed factions. The less significant the party, the more acrimonious the debate, it sometimes seems. I have the advantage of youth and (relative) inexperience of such situations and thus it is easy for me to place my confidence in the working class and in party democracy. Yet sometimes I feel we should realise that parties do tear themselves apart occasionally, the Eurocommunist-Stalinist split in the CPGB being the famous example, and there’s little we (as individual activists) can do except pick ourselves up, learn our lessons by tasking ourselves with understanding what happened and how to avoid it, and keep on trucking.

*** In all my references to Lenin and Trotsky, I am referring to their behaviour prior to the victory of the October Revolution and the civil war. Following the assumption of power, ‘democracy’ and the revolution wound up being opposed to each other, and they chose to save the revolution. I do not think this invalidates the concept of democratic centralism; it was an action taken of desperation and bar reversing the victory of October, I don’t see how it could have been avoided. I make this annotation simply to be honest with the reader. If the reader contends that the subsequent development of Bolshevik tyranny was a direct result of democratic centralism, they are free to argue as much – but I do not agree and will pursue the matter if it comes up in the comments.

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  1. October 19, 2009 at 1:02 pm | #1

    Interesting post – I disagree with it a bit less than I thought I would. Still, I don’t see how you can have an organisation run on democratic centralist lines that isn’t (in practice) highly undemocratic, with the possible exception of small organisations with a relatively homogeneous membership. Though I suppose it’s possible to argue that all large organisations will be undemocratic to a degree.

  2. October 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm | #2

    Al, you said that you don’t see how you *can* have a dem-cent organisation that isn’t in practice undemocratic. Can you explain what you mean?

    We have examples of organisations which are dem-cent in theory but more centralist than democratic in practice – but how you go from there to simply saying that dem-cent is impractical escapes me; surely that it hasn’t been done (even if that is true) is not proof that it cannot be done?

  3. October 19, 2009 at 1:47 pm | #3

    I agree with most of this post, but have a few comments:

    1) The culture of an organisation is as important as it’s organisational structure. Where a faction is happy to win every vote with 51% voteshare, rather than make compromises with those in other factions who disagree on minor points, democratic centralism is more prone to be used by factions as a stepping stone to internal power before bridges are drawn up after them.

    I suspect you’ll disagree with this comment – so I’ll temper it by saying that one of the reasons I prefer democratic centralism to consensus as a decision-making procedure is that sometimes proposals are just right, and compromising makes them much worse. In those cases it may be necessary to win with 51% of the vote. But there are plenty of times when the requirement to get just 51% of the vote leads factions not to make relatively trivial concessions which would actually help preserve unity of action. Unity of action cannot merely be demanded by a faction which controls 51% of the vote and feels it can therefore tell everyone what to do, except where organisations are very small and tight control is therefore possible.

    So I would argue for a democratic centralist process with a consensual culture (ie where everyone attempts to get unanimous or close to unanimous agreement wherever remotely possible, but is then realistic and takes votes which everyone is expected to respect).

    Actually, that’ll do, I need to get on with stuff now! Maybe more comments later.

  4. Rory
    October 19, 2009 at 3:11 pm | #4

    I suppose the major thing that puts some people off the idea of democratic centralism as practised by self-described socialist organisations is the question of internal democracy. Dave rightly and rigorously examines some of the ways that this fails, and indeed rightly points out that these failings are not necessarily inherent in DC nor unique to DC organisations.

    But I suppose the other part of the formulation is this one: Having taken that decision, party members are obliged to abide by it, even if they disagree with it. And the question is, how much freedom people are allowed to voice their disagreements.

    If my Labour Party Branch passed a resolution in support of Israel’s assault on Gaza, would I willingly submit to the majority opinion and vote to support that position at the Constituency general committee? Fortunately not a question I’ve had to deal with personally.

    And there are other aspects – are members free to criticise a democratically-agreed position in the letter page of a national newspaper, for example? Down the pub with their mates? Given that we support the Labour Party, should we always vote for Labour Party candidates in internal union elections against, for example, SWP or SP members?

    I suppose these are wider questions here about representative democracy in terms of when we should act with a mandate and when we should be free to associate with who we want and caucus as we feel like.

  5. October 19, 2009 at 4:21 pm | #5

    “It is my view that no better model exists by which to do this, and by this overthrow capitalism, than a democratic-centralist mass party consisting of shop floor workers and stewards, organised across factories, stores, offices and localities all around the country.”

    But how is this mass party to be created, given that such a thing does not currently exist?

  6. October 19, 2009 at 4:56 pm | #6

    A mass party will be created the same way every mass party has been created – out of patient struggle to get socialist activists, sections of the labour movement and the working class generally on board.

    I’m not saying that one is imminent, of course – that each small party has its own “campaign for a new [workers / Marxist / Respect / Other] party” is quaint, quite frankly. But when it comes, it will be democratic centralist.

  7. October 19, 2009 at 5:47 pm | #7

    Dave,

    Excellent piece that drifts into a pathos with which I have a great deal of sympathy.

    I’m pretty moderate left I think rather than a member of a faction within the Labour Party. If I were in a faction it would be a pluralist faction, which is a hard thing to organise.

    In terms of the inability to change the Labour Party’s system from within, I have a vague hope that a vanguard of enlightened souls will take control of the party and reform its ways before they get too used to the taste of power.

    But there really is no other party for me. The Labour Party is still the only means by which a British Government will make any effort to combat poverty or climate change within my lifetime.

    The perversion of internal elections and selections by the party structures are known about, endorsed and are effectively corrupt. I am Labour to my bones but if the Leadership wants to preside over such corruption then they will have to cope with me and people like me calling them corrupt openly, even if it does make me a few enemies on the way.

    I would prefer it if they just took away all the powers they pretend are in the hands of members. I might not like the lack of democracy but I’d be far more comfortable with the honesty

    Alex

  8. October 19, 2009 at 11:09 pm | #8

    “A mass party will be created the same way every mass party has been created – out of patient struggle to get socialist activists, sections of the labour movement and the working class generally on board.”

    I’d be interested to hear more about ideas about how we get from here to the creation of this mass party. Surely that’s the key discussion – rather than what form this mass party will take once it exists.

  9. October 20, 2009 at 7:36 am | #9

    Well go and write an article about it then. I was not particularly addressing this article to the form a mass party should take – I was addressing it to questions of here-and-now, practical organisation; what sort of things we should be demanding from a ‘socialist’ political party, and why criticism of ‘democratic centralism’ is mostly misdirected.

  10. October 20, 2009 at 9:52 am | #10

    Excellent article.

    As you’d expect me to, I’ll home straight in on your contention ‘no change will now come to Labour from within’.

    As you know, I still view things in a more positive light; as I’ve said on a number of occasions, I’m not saying that I always will think so, but I still believe that on balance the Labour Party remains the most likely source of (and infrastructure for) a mass party of the type you would wish to see.

    But you are right to set out the scale of the challenge facing the Labour left, and to say ‘I have yet to see a competent exposition of how that will change.’

    Indeed, nor have I, but that is what I have in mind for my 4th part of 6 series (yes, i know time draws on, but it’s a long write). It is, I suspect, the main challenge that Tom Miller may seek to address in his (promised?) reply.

    But as I’m here, let me try to set out the framework for my pending exposition, though some of it is still half formed in my head (and this reflects some of the complexity and uncertainty). I will do so, given time constraints today, without the ‘opportunity cost’ analysis that really needs to go with it i.e. what other left grouping options might offer us but will not be taken up if resources are devoted to work within the Labour party.

    As with your piece, I would want to set my argument in historical context, but (and again this will not surprise you) my main reference point is what the British Left achieved, and failed to achieve, in the 1970s/1980′s, because I think therein lies some of the answer to what we should and shouldn’t do this time around. This is not, by the way, any nostaligic personal account, as I wasn’t involved in politics in any way during this period, as I was busy down the pub; any political awakening I have had came much later.

    On the plus side, the left up and down the country took over in their entirely many CLPs and local party infrastuctures, including many Labour groups and therefore control of council budgets. At this remove it is easy to underestimate the scale of that success, and the level of grassroots organisation that went into it in all the places people are familiar with – London, Sheffield, Manchester, Liverpool etc (I will not focus here on the differences).

    But just as it is easy to underestimate the level of effor that went into taking control, and the scale of achievement in doing so, there is a tendency to overestimate the ‘real world’ achievements. By and large they were limited to the world of the local authority, though housing developments were an important aspect of that, and confronting capitalism in the workplace (or in the ‘reserve army’ of the 1980s) was not something that was tackled, for all the rhetoric, because the links between party and unions were either insuffciently developed or frankly fraught, with the unions of that time still the bastions of the Labour right, all the way down to local level.

    In addition,and relatedly and as I’ve set out in other places, the ideological undrpinnings of the local Labour left was often dragged away from the fundamentals of work with and for the working class, and towards the more nebulous identity politics which had arisen from post-Marxist thinking in the 1960s and 1970s. I won’t do Laclau and Mouffe again here, though.

    The challenge this time around is to emulate the success of the 1970s and 1980s Labour left activists in taking control of local Labour party infrastructures, but then not to close in on themselves. Instead, local branches/CLPs will need to open out towards unions/trade councils etc.

    This was difficult in the 1970s, for the Labour right reasons identified above. This time, my sense is that while nationally many unions are still held in the grip of the Labour right, at local and even regional level there can be a much greater joining of minds and efforts.

    Of course, this is only a first stage; as long as the Labour hierarcy of MPs and paid staffers holds sway, and as long as coference is not the final arbiter on policy, we will not get to far beyond local successes (though these are important).

    What promises to strike through this Gordian knot of hierarchical rulings, occasional, erm, inconsistencies in parliamentary selection process, the posiion of MPs as untouchables, and the power of the NEC over and above conference, is that the Labour party is skint, and entirely dependent on the unions if it is not to go bankrupt (with NEC membership personal liability etc etc).

    Alongside the take over of branches/CLPs, the other main drvie has to be the disaffiliation of unions from the national Labour party, and their (bigger contributing?) re-affiliation at local (or perhaps initially, regional) level. For the present, this way forward is more feasible because leftwingers in unions are more likely to be able to take power on the basis of this disaffiliation/reaffilitaion platform, and because their mamdate to do so can actually be executed.

    The rest follows. With money flowing to local parties on the basis of local commitments, the whole power structure is swiftly reversed; MPs will need to submit their operational proposals to local parties/unions if they are to receive financial assistance, and CLPs can start to make demands not just about MP policy positions but about, for example, how much the MP might need to contribute to funds. The NEC becomes the servant to the party rather than the PLP, and will need as part of that to change the conference rules.

    Of course this is a simplistic schema, and life is much messier than that, but this is my initial rising to Dave’s challenge on how the Labour party (with union involvement) re-positions itself as the infrastructure most likely to be the key party of the left for the next fifty years. Sorry it was a bit hurried.

  11. October 20, 2009 at 10:47 am | #11

    Analysis of this type is difficult without some kind of quantitative overview of what union members think of Labour, of what percentage of the working class still identifies itself as pro-Labour and so on.

    I can only go by what I see.

    What I see are new district trades councils springing up under the initiative of groups outside Labour, that where a recovery is being made in trades unionism (and it is very much early days) it is happening outside the Labour Party.

    This is reinforced by the clear indications from the most militant sections of the working class that they want little to do with Labour – the RMT and the FBU being cases in point; each of whom have donated, though not systematically, to other organisations. The CWU looks a likely follower.

    Meanwhile, within Labour, the single grouping of the socialist Left – the LRC – is extremely limited in its reach. I can’t for the life of me think why, except either that the LRC’s budget doesn’t allow for agitational work amongst Labour members (which is worrying of itself) or that the composition of Labour has changed to such an extent that there has been no echo for the agitational work to feed on.

    Essentially all collective internal life of the Labour Party seems to have ceased; the only connection between branches are those well-to-do souls who, coming from the big regional centres and London, form the backbone of the think-tanks like Compass, who publish their work online and run meetings which individuals from the regions can attend.

    Conference is the one exception and it is essentially powerless.

    So what material are we starting with, if we’re working within Labour?

    This problem is compounded because for every day, for every week, for every month and for every year that we fail – for all our patient work – the disaffection, caused by the attitude of our leaders, grows and creates a Left outside Labour with which we find it hard to work, either because of the attitudes of the some of the unions or because the rules of the party forbid working with groups that promote candidates against Labour.

    Yet such parties and candidates have as much legitimacy as any Labour member, and many of them are to the left and better grounded in the local labour movement than the Labour Party members I know.

    That was one reason why I was enthusiastic about the Convention of the Left. Were district trades councils, Left CLPs and the other socialist groups to become involved, we would have a network of what amount to local soviets which could collectively reach out to workers. Yet no action was taken, for all the wonderful things said (based on second hand accounts) at the original CotL, or its lacklustre successor at Brighton this year.

    Edit: PS, I know our posts are somewhat off-topic here, Paul – the original post, after all, was aimed at validating democratic centralism as an organisational notion – but there is a link: whether local ‘conventions of the left’ or local ‘socialist alliances’, the transition from a lot of fragmented parties to a wholesome party of socialism will operate via democratic centralism – with everyone having their spoke, and then actions being decided upon and followed through. The only difference between limited groups such as this and a full party would be the federal character and initially limited areas of competence.

  12. October 20, 2009 at 10:48 am | #12

    Paul, I like the disaffiliation/reaffiliation idea, but I’m worried that it would become confused in the general disaffiliation debate led inside unions by other political parties. I’d prefer a toned down version where unions maintained affiliation at national level, but as part of a renegotiated settlement where the cash provided at that level was diminished, and constituency agreements strengthened. Constituency agreements would need to be allowed with more than one union, and they could be strengthened by agreeing regular leaflets etc distributed between union members and Labour members, union commitments to provide members for canvassing and Labour commitments to provide solidarity and support for industrial action. Perhaps space for union comments in Labour leaflets, even. I think we’d have to be careful with policy – we don’t want the electorate thinking they are electing a proxy for the unions, although hopefully strengthening the relationship would make elected representatives more likely to take into account concerns of unions anyway.

  13. October 20, 2009 at 10:52 am | #13

    Tim F; I think there is a way, though, to get those other Left parties on board. There are, after all, a large number of areas where CLPs simply aren’t worth funding as they aren’t left-wing never mind working class. Disaffiliation from Labour at a national level should be followed by a process of affiliation to networks of suitable local groups – including local SWP / SP groups.

  14. October 20, 2009 at 11:01 am | #14

    Going back to the original article:

    2) I agree that democratic centralism is probably the only model for ensuring workers’ control. Most other models underestimate the unity of action necessary to defeat capitalism. (Although it should be pointed out that unity of action doesn’t necessarily mean we all do the same thing; it does however mean we need to act in complementary ways and with some kind of co-ordination.)

    However, it’s probably not the method by which we would choose to organise society post-capitalism. This is problematic for a few reasons. If new forms of organisation come out of struggle, this process may be hampered by a rigid form of organisation like democratic centralism which doesn’t allow for much evolution by its nature. It’s also a bit of a disconnect to be offering an alternative to capitalism but then maintaining a hierachical structure which, although necessary to defeat a highly organised foe, may not allow for the kind of freedom we are fighting for.

    3) Similar to 2), democratic centralism may not be the most attractive organisational method to new members, and that may hamper building a mass movement that can defeat capitalism. When people first join a party they are unlikely to have fully-formed views – they may not understand the necessity for unity of action and be unwilling to submit to one another in the extreme way that full-blown democratic centralism requires.

    4) Again, flowing out of 3), democratic centralism may not be the best way of organising a small party, even if it is a good way of organising a large mass party. Large mass parties are almost certainly going to be small parties at some stage, so this is a relevant concern. But the attempt to preserve a general ideological direction in a small party which is vulnerable to wild shifts with recruitment of only a few hundred members – that attempt is likely to result in some form of vanguardism or at least the formation of cadres which can easily turn into elites who act in parallel to the democratic structures of the party.

    5) Finally, there are almost certainly going to be those who aren’t willing to submit to democratic centralism, but who are still basically on our side. It’s a big challenge to work out how we can work together with them now, how we can complement each other and how we would accommodate each other rather than merely take control in a post-capitalist situation.

  15. October 20, 2009 at 11:05 am | #15

    #13

    If that process happened with a number of the biggest unions, I suppose the Labour Party would be forced to change its rules about not allowing a union to contribute to another party if it is affiliated to them.

    I would be very worried about the lack of information that local union branches have about some CLPs. In some cases, where union branches have switched off from Labour because of national politics, CLPs still retain some potential – either they are left-wing, working class or in some cases both. I’d be very concerned about how we make sure that union branches don’t base decisions on poor information.

    Let’s not throw away what we have already – however flawed. I don’t see why unions couldn’t maintain notional affiliation at a national level, even if the funding was done much more at a local level.

  16. October 20, 2009 at 11:24 am | #16

    @14

    Your point 2 really requires a discussion of what sort of society we think will emerge, which in turn hinges on what sort of society we have now.

    If we’re aiming for a dictatorship of the proletariat, which is the traditional Marxist view, then we need to ask a) what that means in terms of organisational requirements and b) what the aim of such a ‘dictatorship’ is.

    Elements like a democratically planned economy will still involve democratic centralism, one would think – because there are competing interests to resolve between workers as producers, workers as consumers and the objective needs of the economy as a whole. Debates would be had by workers, decisions taken and representatives appointed to carry them through.

    I am entirely open to a different conception here, however.

    Point 3, I don’t find particularly convincing. Every new member of every political party I’ve ever come across is anxious to throw themselves into political work, which, at the beginning, is just whatever the party is doing. They’ll already have some opinions and these will be further developed through conscious political discussion and practice.

    If they wind up disagreeing with practice or theory, they should be encouraged to say so. The one thing I don’t think any individual member should ever be encouraged to defend is a “party line”. Members should encouraged to think and say what they want – the only time the collective judgment outweighs individual sentiments are in action, i.e. in what form of agitational work is undertaken and when appointed as representative for a collective decision to some other body.

    On point 4, not really sure what you mean. So long as the party is continually open to new members, rather than adding a few hundred and then stopping, the general direction of the party will be self-correcting, in the sense that opinions will have to be put to the membership and constantly agreed upon and challenged.

    What I would vigorously attack – in any party – is the development of self-identifying intellectuals, whose written works would take precedence over any other party member’s contribution. I don’t regard that as democratic, but rather the first step towards the development of the sort of elite you suggest.

    You mention a vanguard; but presumably any political party is by nature a vanguard?

    On point 5; surely one of the conditions of being a member of a political party is actively participating in the political work decided upon by the whole? For example, if one is an SWP member, one helps out with UAF work. Only by participating does one really develop the right to critique – and if some people feel themselves above participating, even while violently attacking the form of activity, then they are holding themselves above party and class.

    The only way not participating can be justified, so far as I’m concerned, is if the activity is not the democratic will of the membership – it is imposed from above, or imposed via a bureaucratic procedure rather than a democratic procedure. Some small organisations are guilty of this sheerly by the moral authority of their more longstanding members – but all it really takes to begin shaking that is someone prepared to voice arguments to the contrary.

  17. October 20, 2009 at 11:35 am | #17

    Your argument against my point 3) is partly convincing, but people join political parties for different reasons. Some join because they want to take action to change society, but some join just because they agree with some things the party says, or because they want discussion and debate with generally like-minded people. I think we need enough flexibility so it doesn’t seem to them like we’re trying to force them to do stuff they don’t want to do straightaway, even if it is the democratically-decided will of the membership. At the very least there need to be a choice of different actions they can get involved in – better they do something they already have sympathy with than just get dumped 1000 papers on & expected to sell them, for example. There’s also a confidence issue – many new members of the Labour Party I’ve known haven’t had the confidence to, for example, canvass straightaway, but have got into it after a few months.

    On my point 4, your argument seems to assume a party will just grow straightaway and carry on growing. That is obviously ideal, but there are plenty of parties who claim to be democratic centralist at the moment who are stuck at a few hundred or a few thousand members. I accept your point that there may be ways in which their democratic centralism is insufficiently democratic, but it doesn’t necessarily follow that if they fix that they will immediately grow and continue growing.

    I suppose you’re right about a vanguard; my opposition to the term is more about the way some people seem to view “being the vanguard” as having power to tell the working class what to do. If a vanguard can be conceived in a way which is not elitist, then ok. The trouble is that once you conceive of yourself as the vanguard, I’m not sure you can avoid setting yourself apart from the class in general.

    My point 5 was more about people who aren’t members of a party, but active in autonomous movements who share our views on many issues.

  18. JonnyRed
    October 21, 2009 at 1:42 pm | #18

    Regarding comments over disaffiliation, I have to agree that there has never been a better time for the unions to demand a new agreement with the Labour Party – as has been mentioned, the Party’s a bit hard-up on the cash front at the moment and needs all the help it can get to retain any share of the vote in next year’s election. The unions need to realise that at this moment in time, the Labour Party is still reliant on union money. In a decade’s time, they will almost certainly be less reliant as their increasingly pro-business agenda wins them backers there (just as it played out in 1997).

    It is in many ways last-chance saloon for the unions to retain some control over the Labour Party on a national scale, and somewhat strangely, to break free of the constraints the Party has placed on them regarding political affiliation.

    I must be honest and say that I believe the Labour Party (in its current state) is beyond redemption. After 12 years in power and in bed with big business and the media, the problems within the party are only going to get worse in my opinion.

    However, compared to the Tories they are still without a doubt the lesser of the two evils. It is hard to compare them to the Lib Dems because it’s difficult to know quite how many Lib Dem policies are serious and how many are simply made to gain or strengthen support from voters, since the likelihood of them gaining power is so small.

    Also, a short point on the imminency of a genuinely left-wing mass party; there is currently something of a vacuum in the political sphere. People do not trust any of the major parties, and at the moment this is playing into the hands of right-wing populists simply because the left is too weak and disjointed. There are myriad reasons why, but the bottom line is that the left in the UK needs to recognise that ‘rival’ left-wing organisations are still on their side, so to speak, in the fight against neo-liberal capitalism. In the situation we find ourselves in, our enemies’ enemy is indeed our friend, because in-fighting, debate and an overly-introspective mentality do not help to raise social awareness of class struggle or create powerful organisations to fight against the overwhelming forces arrayed against us.

  19. October 21, 2009 at 10:13 pm | #19

    What does the class need now? It needs something that can realistically put forward its interests in the class struggle. It would be given the fragmented nature of the Left and given that the bounds of trust and mutual understanding that would be vital for a more disciplined formation that can deal with much more intense class struggle. It maybe that a looser formation would break up. I would expect so. But without going through that experience you are not going to get to where you want to be.

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