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The case for the immediate arrest of Rod Liddle

Under current English law, Spectator journalist Rod Liddle might reasonably be expected to be arrested tonight and held in the cells till Monday pending a hearing in the magistrates’ courts. 

Liddle might expect to be joined by his Spectator editor, Fraser Nelson.

Here is what Rod Liddle wrote, and Fraser Nelson allowed to be published last night on the well-known Spectator website:

The overwhelming majority of street crime, knife crime, gun crime, robbery and crimes of sexual violence in London is carried out by young men from the African-Caribbean community. Of course, in return, we have rap music, goat curry and a far more vibrant and diverse understanding of cultures which were once alien to us.  For which, many thanks.’

Charlotte Gore has already done a commendable job setting out the factual incorrectness of Liddle’s statement, including reference to the Ministry of Justice’s Statistics on Race and the Criminal Justice System.  There is no need to repeat that here. 

Laudably, another Spectator journalist, Alex Massie, has also taken time to speak out against Liddle, when it would have been easy to keep quiet and go with the racist crowd.  Well done to him.

I will content myself with pointing out, therefore, that both Liddle and his editor seem prima facie to be in contravention of the Public Order Act 1986 (c.64, paras 18-19), which states:

A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if:

(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

…………………….

A constable may arrest without warrant anyone he reasonably suspects is committing an offence under this section.

…………………..

A person who is not shown to have intended to stir up racial hatred is not guilty of an offence under this section if he did not intend his words or behaviour, or the written material, to be, and was not aware that it might be, threatening, abusive or insulting.

A person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting is guilty of an offence if:

(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or

(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for an accused who is not shown to have intended to stir up racial hatred to prove that he was not aware of the content of the material and did not suspect, and had no reason to suspect, that it was threatening, abusive or insulting.

References in this Part to the publication or distribution of written material are to its publication or distribution to the public or a section of the public.

Of course, in decided whether to press charges, the CPS would have to take a view on the probability of being able to prove that  Liddle (and through the writing or publishing of the words, intended to stir up racial hatred, and it would be for the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intention was there; Liddle’s reference to ‘goat curry’ in what is presumably an attempt at negative stereotyping, in addition to the (presumably for a professional journalist) deliberate inaccuracies in the information, might lead the prosecution.

Further the CPS would need to consider whether racial hatred was in fact stirred up by the words used.  In taking this view, they might want to refer to this exemplar comment left on Charlotte Gore’s blog:

Rod Liddle is spot on the money about blacks being responsible for most of the crime in our cities. I’ve never met a black yet who wasn’t a thief or a drug addict, and usually both.

Here there does, prima facie, seem to be causal relationship between Liddle writing incorrectly about the proportion of certain types of crime committed in London and a more inflammatory statement about the behaviour of all black people met by the commenter.

It will be interesting to see what happens as news of Liddle and Nelson’s actions spread. 

Of course, recourse to the law is only one way in which they might be brought to task for this overt expression of racism under the header of a magazine with a longstanding reputation for decent journalism (and it is not, in fact, my preferred one).  A picket of the magazine offices until such a time as a full apology is forthcoming is another, as might be a widely organised boycott of the magazine and a campaign to keep it off newsagents’ shelves.

Perhaps in the meantime Nelson, the editor, might want to consider whether Liddle’s employment with the Spectator is any longer warranted in view of what he has written, and the disrepute into which he has brought the publication.

As a final note, I wonder if Liddle, when making his ‘calculations’ about the proportion of crime in London for which black people are responsible, decided to leave domestic violence because of his own caution for hitting a pregnant woman in a domestic situation.

Categories: Law, Race and Colour
  1. December 5, 2009 at 9:31 pm | #1

    Its amazing that he had such a responsible job within the BBC

  2. December 5, 2009 at 9:35 pm | #2

    Well put, and it would be nice to see Liddle brought to justice. For what it is worth I think he is a foul human. This is unbearably offensive a statement, for which he should suffer.

  3. paulinlancs
    December 6, 2009 at 10:14 am | #3

    Thanks both. I see Sunder at Next Left is suggesting that it may all be very good Swiftian satire on Liddle’s part, and that this piece may be giving succour to him.

    That’s ironic, as I’d argue Sunder didn’t see the satirical slant in this piece and simply took it as face value. I couldn’t leave a commment at his place (google account issue), so I’ll post it here as I’ve written it:

    Sunder

    A fine piece, and of course he may be a Swift for our times.

    But you appear, if you don’t mind me saying to have forced yourself to that conclusion on the basis that you need to stand out from the crowd’s interpretation.

    In any event, you appear to have taken my own piece (at Though Cowards Flinch) as much at face value as you accuse others of taking Liddle’s too much at face value. Look again at mine if you can be arsed and you’ll see a Swiftian element (overdoing the formality of the outraged and pompous leftie), and look at the rest of the blog and you’ll see that kind of thing quite often happens.

    You can’t see it? No, because it’s hard to spot and you have to rely on my version of my intention.

    The same needs to apply to Liddle’s piece. If people other than those convinced Liddle is a satirist can’t see it’s satire, it’s not really satire.

    Note: this is not written satirically.

  4. Ken
    December 6, 2009 at 11:44 am | #4

    Another insidious justification for a police state-style clamp-down on free speech.

    You are as much of a democrat as the bearded ones that clamour for the beheading of all ‘infidels’ who disagree with them.

  5. December 6, 2009 at 2:03 pm | #5

    Pointing out that what a journalist says is both ill-informed and in breach of the law, versus demanding that people are executed merely on the basis of being a different religion. Totally the same thing.

  6. December 6, 2009 at 3:11 pm | #6

    Don’t know about you Ken, but I think an important aspect of free speech press is that the ones being spoken to actually bother to listen to what’s said. I didn’t say I was in favour of Liddle being prosecuted; I was suggesting he might be open to prosecution. Indeedd, I say that my favoured expression of disgust at Liddle’s obnoxious rantings is for a large group of people to exercise free speech to let him know they don’t care for his inaccurate and hateful rants. Of course, that form of collective free speech may not be a type of which you approve.

  7. December 9, 2009 at 4:37 pm | #7

    You think the Public Order Act can/should be used to curtail stupid newspaper articles? What planet are you on?

  8. December 9, 2009 at 5:09 pm | #8

    Blue eyes: please feel free to read the post and see what I’m actually saying. Can: yes Should: no.

  9. Schwartz
    December 22, 2009 at 2:07 am | #9

    Paulincs,

    There is no reason to expect groups to have equal propensities to criminality though. Testosterone, often linked with violent crime, differs between racial groups.

    “Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher. Both these differences were statistically significant.”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3455741

    Also, are readily identifiable clusters of genes corresponding to traditional continental ethnic groups. Two groups that form distinct clusters are likely to exhibit different frequency distributions over various genes, leading to group differences.

    MAO-A variants which place people at greater risk of aggressive behaviour (in combination with childhood maltreatment) also show different frequency distributions across groups.

    http://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/120-1250/2441/

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/2007/01/metric-on-space-of-genomes-and.html

    Also, note global crime rates are consistent with the rates observed by Liddle.

    Rushton, J.P., & Whitney, G. (2002). Cross-national variation in violent crime rates: Race, r-K theory, and income. Population and Environment, 23, 501-511

    http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/P&E%20Crime.pdf

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