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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/01/06/my-my-lord-careys-bigotry-is-thinly-veiled-these-days/#comment-4581</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every political issue does not attract frantic cries of racism. If this one does, then it&#039;s because the former Archbishop of Canterbury quite clearly introduced the issues of race and religion into immigration.

I am sure over-population is indeed a serious issue, but the idea that Britain can only sustain forty million people is ludicrous. For a start, we&#039;ve got sixty-odd million at the moment, and we&#039;re sustaining them. We do this by importing whatever we can&#039;t grow or build at home from abroad, that same way that every developed nation does. So what we&#039;re left with is an argument that we should restrict immigration on the basis of various ill-defined effects that it is meant to have on the UK.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every political issue does not attract frantic cries of racism. If this one does, then it&#8217;s because the former Archbishop of Canterbury quite clearly introduced the issues of race and religion into immigration.</p>
<p>I am sure over-population is indeed a serious issue, but the idea that Britain can only sustain forty million people is ludicrous. For a start, we&#8217;ve got sixty-odd million at the moment, and we&#8217;re sustaining them. We do this by importing whatever we can&#8217;t grow or build at home from abroad, that same way that every developed nation does. So what we&#8217;re left with is an argument that we should restrict immigration on the basis of various ill-defined effects that it is meant to have on the UK.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does every political issue in the UK attract frantic cries of racism?  Overpopulation is a serious issue in its own right. You yourself provide a quote in which migration to the UK is said to be partly due to climate change but miss the point that this climate change has only just started.  Many of the climate models show most of Southern Europe to be uninhabitable by 2100 at current CO2 emission levels.

See &lt;a href=&quot;http://pol-check.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-global-warming-entirely-due-to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is Global Warming a threat because of overpopulation?&lt;/a&gt;.

The high risk of a murderous effect of population expansion is obvious. It will kill new British Citizens as much as those who have great-grandparents who were British.  Given that Britain can only sustain 40 million people climate change may eventually kill 30 million of our grandchildren.

How can anyone argue against the precautionary principle of not increasing the population unsustainably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does every political issue in the UK attract frantic cries of racism?  Overpopulation is a serious issue in its own right. You yourself provide a quote in which migration to the UK is said to be partly due to climate change but miss the point that this climate change has only just started.  Many of the climate models show most of Southern Europe to be uninhabitable by 2100 at current CO2 emission levels.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://pol-check.blogspot.com/2009/02/is-global-warming-entirely-due-to.html" rel="nofollow">Is Global Warming a threat because of overpopulation?</a>.</p>
<p>The high risk of a murderous effect of population expansion is obvious. It will kill new British Citizens as much as those who have great-grandparents who were British.  Given that Britain can only sustain 40 million people climate change may eventually kill 30 million of our grandchildren.</p>
<p>How can anyone argue against the precautionary principle of not increasing the population unsustainably.</p>
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		<title>By: leftoutside</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t believe that open borders will solve our problems; I believe that solving our problems will lead to open borders.&quot;

What Dave said, completely agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t believe that open borders will solve our problems; I believe that solving our problems will lead to open borders.&#8221;</p>
<p>What Dave said, completely agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, not sure who you are, but you&#039;re an idiot. To equate the rejection of the BNP, and the open opposition to their policies, with the persecution and victimisation of Muslims is insane.

In any case, I&#039;m not a multiculturalist; I&#039;m a socialist. I don&#039;t believe that open borders will solve our problems; I believe that solving our problems will lead to open borders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, not sure who you are, but you&#8217;re an idiot. To equate the rejection of the BNP, and the open opposition to their policies, with the persecution and victimisation of Muslims is insane.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;m not a multiculturalist; I&#8217;m a socialist. I don&#8217;t believe that open borders will solve our problems; I believe that solving our problems will lead to open borders.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rev. Keen, the remarks were made on Radio 4 this morning, and despite his woolly words, I thought it pretty clear when he said that this country is primarily Christian, that groups which can integrate should be favoured and that those groups would more than likely be Christian. I can, of course, be mistaken. I look forward to seeing a complete copy of the speech.

The links above have been corrected; the bad link was simply me reading around other comments the former Archbishop had made on the same subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rev. Keen, the remarks were made on Radio 4 this morning, and despite his woolly words, I thought it pretty clear when he said that this country is primarily Christian, that groups which can integrate should be favoured and that those groups would more than likely be Christian. I can, of course, be mistaken. I look forward to seeing a complete copy of the speech.</p>
<p>The links above have been corrected; the bad link was simply me reading around other comments the former Archbishop had made on the same subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course this is a hardy perennial problem in a country which insists on promoting 11 plus failures to Churchified positions above their level of competence.  I can quite see your implied criticism of the comprehensive education fallacy.  

In Britain we believe(d) that enlightenment is an iterative process akin to diminishing deception if you like.  (Natural justice)

This country&#039;s common law, common decency, common cause, common courtesy and common sense are all based in the knowledge we ain&#039;t perfect but that we should pursue improvement through lessons yet to be revealed by means of the resolution of conflicts at law or by consensus as they arise.  The historical ratchet effect.  When we are confident that we have established a principle (Magna Carta et seq) agrred by all in our unrepealable adaptibe monoculture  we make it unrepealable.  Hence our culture adaptsd to absorb incomers.   Any subsequent law may only improve on the existing law or the existing law shall apply.

All was well for centuries.  Even before democracy grew by males getting the vote the industrial workforce of cities like Leeds was one third Asian or African origin. 

BUT then came the post WW2 period and the sociologist (now desperately trying to ban the word &quot;Multicultural&quot; to be replaced with the word &quot;Intercultural&quot; as they arrogantly yield all too slowly to the wisdom of centuries with which they should never have tampered.

WE copped the multicultural &quot;Experiment&quot;.  Always unlawful.  Admitted by the sociologists themselves to have failed when the Lozells riot rubbed their pseudo-academic noses in their own folly. 

And what the multicultural experiment has delivered is a sectarian society.  Ask anyone hereabouts in a city like ours with a large muslim population.  

An indigenous people who believe that they pursue improvement by resolution and revelation  become host to a large immigrant opulation who believe they have a book of the 6th century that has all the answers already.  

The multiculturalist believes, as an act of ill informed faith,  that all cultures are of equal merit within one land.  Yet hypocritically they seek to reject some cultures (such as BNP) as &quot;Odious&quot; or &quot;Racist&quot;. In other words the multiculturalist is a hypocrite who would be God to judge which cultures are acceptable and which not and to turn a blind eye to faults in some cultures lest he be hoist on his own petard as the ultimate racist (the multiculturalist)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course this is a hardy perennial problem in a country which insists on promoting 11 plus failures to Churchified positions above their level of competence.  I can quite see your implied criticism of the comprehensive education fallacy.  </p>
<p>In Britain we believe(d) that enlightenment is an iterative process akin to diminishing deception if you like.  (Natural justice)</p>
<p>This country&#8217;s common law, common decency, common cause, common courtesy and common sense are all based in the knowledge we ain&#8217;t perfect but that we should pursue improvement through lessons yet to be revealed by means of the resolution of conflicts at law or by consensus as they arise.  The historical ratchet effect.  When we are confident that we have established a principle (Magna Carta et seq) agrred by all in our unrepealable adaptibe monoculture  we make it unrepealable.  Hence our culture adaptsd to absorb incomers.   Any subsequent law may only improve on the existing law or the existing law shall apply.</p>
<p>All was well for centuries.  Even before democracy grew by males getting the vote the industrial workforce of cities like Leeds was one third Asian or African origin. </p>
<p>BUT then came the post WW2 period and the sociologist (now desperately trying to ban the word &#8220;Multicultural&#8221; to be replaced with the word &#8220;Intercultural&#8221; as they arrogantly yield all too slowly to the wisdom of centuries with which they should never have tampered.</p>
<p>WE copped the multicultural &#8220;Experiment&#8221;.  Always unlawful.  Admitted by the sociologists themselves to have failed when the Lozells riot rubbed their pseudo-academic noses in their own folly. </p>
<p>And what the multicultural experiment has delivered is a sectarian society.  Ask anyone hereabouts in a city like ours with a large muslim population.  </p>
<p>An indigenous people who believe that they pursue improvement by resolution and revelation  become host to a large immigrant opulation who believe they have a book of the 6th century that has all the answers already.  </p>
<p>The multiculturalist believes, as an act of ill informed faith,  that all cultures are of equal merit within one land.  Yet hypocritically they seek to reject some cultures (such as BNP) as &#8220;Odious&#8221; or &#8220;Racist&#8221;. In other words the multiculturalist is a hypocrite who would be God to judge which cultures are acceptable and which not and to turn a blind eye to faults in some cultures lest he be hoist on his own petard as the ultimate racist (the multiculturalist)</p>
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		<title>By: HarpyMarx</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed Dave, totally with you on this (makes a change...;)

I really thought I was hearing things when Carey was quoted on the news. Utterly racist and reactionary. And what a surprise the Torygraph blog spouting the same reactionary ideology. But I doubt if Carey gives a damn that his bile has spewed forth &#039;naked racism&#039; from other...

&quot;I hope he will not forget the importance of Christian identity at the very heart of being a part of the United Kingdom.&quot; 

Is it? Is it really? What is so wrong with having a secular society and not one where one faith reigns supreme over others. Carey is such a reactionary bigot.

Here endeth the rant!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed Dave, totally with you on this (makes a change&#8230;;)</p>
<p>I really thought I was hearing things when Carey was quoted on the news. Utterly racist and reactionary. And what a surprise the Torygraph blog spouting the same reactionary ideology. But I doubt if Carey gives a damn that his bile has spewed forth &#8216;naked racism&#8217; from other&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope he will not forget the importance of Christian identity at the very heart of being a part of the United Kingdom.&#8221; </p>
<p>Is it? Is it really? What is so wrong with having a secular society and not one where one faith reigns supreme over others. Carey is such a reactionary bigot.</p>
<p>Here endeth the rant!</p>
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		<title>By: David Keen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was surprised to find that the link for &#039;last night&#039; was a newspaper article from 16 months ago! I&#039;ve been trying to find the original source for Careys comments about favouring &#039;Christian&#039; immigrants - something he said he wasn&#039;t in favour of on the Today prog this morning - with minimal joy. Where/when did he say it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was surprised to find that the link for &#8216;last night&#8217; was a newspaper article from 16 months ago! I&#8217;ve been trying to find the original source for Careys comments about favouring &#8216;Christian&#8217; immigrants &#8211; something he said he wasn&#8217;t in favour of on the Today prog this morning &#8211; with minimal joy. Where/when did he say it?</p>
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