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		<title>By: The High Speed Rail research failure &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-26255</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The High Speed Rail research failure &#171; Though Cowards Flinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of that paper, I set out my own concerns 18 months ago about the intra-regional disparities that might occur: There is a real risk, I [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Challenging the social mobility narrative (3): apocalypse soon? &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-23333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Challenging the social mobility narrative (3): apocalypse soon? &#171; Though Cowards Flinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 19:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] in the mid-19th century to the industrial towns of the North and the Midlands.  High speed rail will not slow that shift; it will merely reinforce [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the mid-19th century to the industrial towns of the North and the Midlands.  High speed rail will not slow that shift; it will merely reinforce [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HSR: another selfless act from our business leaders &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-23064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HSR: another selfless act from our business leaders &#171; Though Cowards Flinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have written a good deal about my concerns over the Tories&#8217; (and until recently Labour&#8217;s) commitment to press [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Lord Rothschild and the celebrity defence of England&#8217;s green and pleasant land &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-8332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord Rothschild and the celebrity defence of England&#8217;s green and pleasant land &#171; Though Cowards Flinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I&#8217;ve expressed my doubts about the overall economic value of the project, but I can see the logic behind it, not least in relation to the road-building and airport alternatives. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve expressed my doubts about the overall economic value of the project, but I can see the logic behind it, not least in relation to the road-building and airport alternatives. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: willesdenjunction</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[willesdenjunction]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are certainly serious issues around high-speed rail in the UK. 
The cost is likely to be very high- the final stage of HS1 is the most expensive piece of high speed line anywhere in the world at £70m/ km compared with £10m/ km for Madrid- Barcelona.
Rail needs city centre stations to compete with other modes, but getting into/ out of city centres will need tunneling, pushing up costs even further. TGV uses existing lines to access city centres but suburban rail networks in the UK are already at or near capacity.
Arguably, most cities don&#039;t need high speed rail- Leeds, Manchester etc already have fast trains putting them just over 2 hours from London. The only real advantage would be London to Glasgow/ Edinburgh where current times (over 4 hours) cannot compete with air.
What will happen to existing services if high speed is built? Non TGV services in France have been allowed to stagnate- would the same happen here?

willesdenjunction]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are certainly serious issues around high-speed rail in the UK.<br />
The cost is likely to be very high- the final stage of HS1 is the most expensive piece of high speed line anywhere in the world at £70m/ km compared with £10m/ km for Madrid- Barcelona.<br />
Rail needs city centre stations to compete with other modes, but getting into/ out of city centres will need tunneling, pushing up costs even further. TGV uses existing lines to access city centres but suburban rail networks in the UK are already at or near capacity.<br />
Arguably, most cities don&#8217;t need high speed rail- Leeds, Manchester etc already have fast trains putting them just over 2 hours from London. The only real advantage would be London to Glasgow/ Edinburgh where current times (over 4 hours) cannot compete with air.<br />
What will happen to existing services if high speed is built? Non TGV services in France have been allowed to stagnate- would the same happen here?</p>
<p>willesdenjunction</p>
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		<title>By: eccentrograf</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-5432</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eccentrograf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The question I am forced to ask is “Isn’t this a 19th century answer to a 21st century problem?”

Wouldn’t it be more objective to look at the problem in the context of all options. I read recently that the Japanese started constuction of their high-speed rail network in 1964. Do you think that they would have approached that project in the same way if they had had today’s electronic communications available to them then. Probably not.

Thousands of small, medium and large businesses have embraced modern electronic communications (email, web conferencing, modern telephone) successfully, permitting remote working by their employees as well as the successful distribution of their business to regional offices where appropriate. In this country we seem to have a pre-occupation with “bums on seats” employment. Unless someone is at a certain location, the work is apparently not being done. We all know that this is simply not true.

Of course, electronic communications does not mitigate the need for travelling in some cases, but I would urge anyone reading this to look hard at how they approach work and ask themselves, is much of their travellingt really justified?

Why don’t we improve our exiting railway networks to cope with travel when needed, but encourge less travelling where it is unnecessary.

Of course, electronic communication improvements do not have the same curb appeal as a brand new shiny railway when it comes to electioneering. This was confirmed in the last few days when the government suggested a laughable method for raising funds ti improve broadband connectivity. I say laughable for two reasons. One, because the amount they would raise by this means was totally inadequate for the task in hand. But secondly and of greater concern was the fact that many MPs cited that the economy couldn’t afford to spend money on such schemes at the moment. How can such an argument even hold water when there are rumours banded around that the proposed high speed rail scheme will cost in excess of £34bn!!!

Infrastructure investment goes beyong roads and railways. Communications technologies can and do offer a realistic way of reducing the need for shuffling workforces from pillar to post. Invest in this and you can free the existing transport systems of unneccesary traffic, freeing the capacity for those wishing to travel. Moreover, workforces and businesses can be based regionally, encouraging the growth of local economies in an electronically joined up market!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question I am forced to ask is “Isn’t this a 19th century answer to a 21st century problem?”</p>
<p>Wouldn’t it be more objective to look at the problem in the context of all options. I read recently that the Japanese started constuction of their high-speed rail network in 1964. Do you think that they would have approached that project in the same way if they had had today’s electronic communications available to them then. Probably not.</p>
<p>Thousands of small, medium and large businesses have embraced modern electronic communications (email, web conferencing, modern telephone) successfully, permitting remote working by their employees as well as the successful distribution of their business to regional offices where appropriate. In this country we seem to have a pre-occupation with “bums on seats” employment. Unless someone is at a certain location, the work is apparently not being done. We all know that this is simply not true.</p>
<p>Of course, electronic communications does not mitigate the need for travelling in some cases, but I would urge anyone reading this to look hard at how they approach work and ask themselves, is much of their travellingt really justified?</p>
<p>Why don’t we improve our exiting railway networks to cope with travel when needed, but encourge less travelling where it is unnecessary.</p>
<p>Of course, electronic communication improvements do not have the same curb appeal as a brand new shiny railway when it comes to electioneering. This was confirmed in the last few days when the government suggested a laughable method for raising funds ti improve broadband connectivity. I say laughable for two reasons. One, because the amount they would raise by this means was totally inadequate for the task in hand. But secondly and of greater concern was the fact that many MPs cited that the economy couldn’t afford to spend money on such schemes at the moment. How can such an argument even hold water when there are rumours banded around that the proposed high speed rail scheme will cost in excess of £34bn!!!</p>
<p>Infrastructure investment goes beyong roads and railways. Communications technologies can and do offer a realistic way of reducing the need for shuffling workforces from pillar to post. Invest in this and you can free the existing transport systems of unneccesary traffic, freeing the capacity for those wishing to travel. Moreover, workforces and businesses can be based regionally, encouraging the growth of local economies in an electronically joined up market!</p>
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		<title>By: High Speed 2</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-5422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[High Speed 2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the link between Scotland and the south of England is an excellent idea, because it means more people can take advantage of the high speed rail and therefore faster, more convenient domestic and international services, but yes, I agree that both concepts should be considered. 

Meg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the link between Scotland and the south of England is an excellent idea, because it means more people can take advantage of the high speed rail and therefore faster, more convenient domestic and international services, but yes, I agree that both concepts should be considered. </p>
<p>Meg</p>
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		<title>By: High-speed cock-up &#171; Though Cowards Flinch</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-5234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[High-speed cock-up &#171; Though Cowards Flinch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for, it is a step in the right direction and it&#8217;s perfectly clear Richard has been reading my and Tom Harris&#8217;s blog [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for, it is a step in the right direction and it&#8217;s perfectly clear Richard has been reading my and Tom Harris&#8217;s blog [...]</p>
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		<title>By: paulinlancs</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/02/12/the-political-economy-of-high-speed-rail/#comment-5060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulinlancs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 11:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen

Thanks for this.  Interesting new blog you have there.  Will give it a plug at appropriate point.   Strange coincidence that we should be writing from the same hymnsheet on about the same day, though clearly you have a more detailed knowledge of this area.  you might be interested in ex-minister of transport (but you know that Tom Harris!)&#039; reponse on this if you&#039;ve not seen it at http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/02/13/railing-against-high-speed/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen</p>
<p>Thanks for this.  Interesting new blog you have there.  Will give it a plug at appropriate point.   Strange coincidence that we should be writing from the same hymnsheet on about the same day, though clearly you have a more detailed knowledge of this area.  you might be interested in ex-minister of transport (but you know that Tom Harris!)&#8217; reponse on this if you&#8217;ve not seen it at <a href="http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/02/13/railing-against-high-speed/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/02/13/railing-against-high-speed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Transtraxman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Transtraxman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We seem to agree.
http://trans-trax.blogspot.com/
Stephen Cryan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to agree.<br />
<a href="http://trans-trax.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://trans-trax.blogspot.com/</a><br />
Stephen Cryan</p>
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