Will you give your vote?
I was approached yesterday on twitter and asked whether or not I had heard of the Give Your Vote campaign. I hadn’t. So I looked into it, and apparently both Time and our own Liberal Conspiracy have covered it. The concept is fairly simple: people in the UK should sign up to pass their vote to someone in one of thee third world countries. They then get texted on election day as to how they should vote and vote accordingly.
As a result of nation-states not having an equal say in global affairs, the democracies of America, Britain, etc are infinitely more powerful than the countries that GYV is attempting to pass our vote to: Ghana, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, symbolic, I suppose, of poverty, climate change and war. One on level, it’s a fair point; our elected officials make decisions that affect people who don’t vote for them – no taxation without representation and all that.
I don’t buy it though, and the reasons for this are as complex and multifarious as the reasons people have got involved with the project. Below, as an attempt to contribute to and publicise a debate I didn’t even know was ongoing, I’ve detailed why I’m not convinced – though I remain open to argument.
If the idea is that we surrender our votes to others, regardless of how they vote, then that contradicts a mission statement of Give Your Vote, which is supposed to be a way of ‘taking action against…global political inequality’, even if they acknowledge that their method of engagement won’t solve such problems. Except that people voting for the Conservatives, Lib-Dems or Labour isn’t necessarily taking action against global political inequality.
In their own ways, these three main parties have furthered that inequality. Moreover, they’re all paid up members of the capitalist club, so regardless of how nice their manifestos sound, they’re actively contributing to that inequality. In order for me to believe that, by surrendering my vote to someone in a foreign country, who will vote for one of these parties, I’m taking action against global political inequality, I have to suspend my own political views.
Obviously I’m not willing to do that, and GYV quite rightly say people who feel they want to vote for their own idea should do so. But the point is, it’s only from the point of view of people who think the three parties represent solutions to global poverty, climate change and war rather than support for the status quo that the whole GYV initiative makes sense. The organisation has political bias built into its method.
This isn’t corrected by including more than three parties either. If anyone votes Tory, for example, it’s still doesn’t count as taking action against global political inequality.
Second, there’s the question of who this sort of politics appeals to, who it is inclusive of.
As the Time article puts it,
“For residents of the U.K., dealing with climate change means accepting a higher price on everything from gasoline to electricity. In crowded, low-lying Bangladesh, it means trying to avoid catastrophic flooding.”
There are two nations; they have divergent interests. By surrendering our vote, we graciously acknowledge the interests of the other nation by sacrificing our own. I contend that this will appeal to well-off liberals who can afford to sacrifice their own interest but not to those of us who can’t.
Just because Brits aren’t facing catastrophic flooding doesn’t mean we have no immediate concerns that are important to our survival and well-being. Most of us have to pay attention to such material concerns.
Most of us will vote on the basis of who is likely to tax us less, or who is more trusted to provide the sort of public services we rely on and so forth. This is a stronger set of motivations than sympathy with the Third World – but the two don’t have to be mutually exclusive, if the correct (anti-capitalist) political interpretations are drawn.
Absent from the GYV set-up is the realisation that the problem goes deeper than a democratic deficit between nations; it goes to the heart of the global economic system and the distribution of wealth within and between nations. Instead GYV permits the ambiguity and potential contradiction between the interests of ‘people’ in the West and people elsewhere, which should actually be aligned by socialist ideas.
In any case, a national election will not fix matters, regardless of what sporadic engagement or attention can be garnered on the part of third world populations or the western media.
It’s also concerning that large swathes of people in the chosen nations will inevitably be excluded. The least enfranchised in Ghana, Afghanistan and Bangladesh are excluded because they are unlikely to own mobile phones. On the other hand, the most apathetic and disengaged in the UK are also not going to be brought into the fold because they’ll never hear about GYV and, if they do, won’t really care.
It might influence some who are disposed to sympathy with the Third World, but who aren’t ‘political’ enough to have made up their own minds or are young enough to be caught up in an idealistic enthusiasm about empowering others. The sort of people who wear Make Poverty History bracelets and think Bono is a hero, worthy of emulation, and that our leaders aren’t just bastards but really did have the interests of the world at heart in their G8 announcements.
I’m sure this is a caricature – and probably an unfair one at that – but on the other hand, having spent time on knocking on doors for a political party, people who when asked say they don’t vote are either very cynical or just don’t care, for whatever reason. It’s a different world to university campuses and coffee shops full of young professionals – and it’s a world that Give Your Vote is unlikely to reach.
Say it did, however. Say it reached as many people as the Make Poverty History campaign. What then? What’s the next step? There isn’t one – and that’s objection number three.
A lot of political commentators from the last fifteen years like to see the era of party politics as being over. Parties can be influenced from outwith by campaign groups that combine the maximum of visibility in the press with a ‘mass’ support – demonstrated by petitions, one-off marches and concerts. It would be easy to see Give Your Vote as part of this trend, since it does not pin its colours to any particular mast.
This is more a commentary on the sad and emaciated state of formerly mass parties than on the potential for pressure groups and single issue politics. My contention is that we’ll get no satisfactory solutions to problems like global inequality until we reverse the decline of mass politics and the consistent engagement of millions of people with organisations that have their hands directly on the levers of power: the trade unions and a workers’ party.
Laurie Penny, in her write up at Liberal Conspiracy, dismisses this objection in the following manner:
Give Your Vote’s impact will remain small, and they will doubtless be dismissed by everyone as a bunch of idealistic, utopian, lunatic do-gooders, which is precisely what they are. But so were the first suffragettes; so were the early civil rights activists; so were the Diggers, the Levellers, and all the weirdos and fringe gangs in this country and elsewhere who dared to dream of a freer, fairer world.
Suffragettes are an excellent example to compare Give Your Vote to: based on stunts with no consistent form of political engagement, the suffragettes were a spectacular political failure. They didn’t exist in a vacuum and there were achievements for women whilst suffragettes campaigned on the issue, but the period was also one in which the entire political order was being contested. So attributing the right to vote to the suffragettes is a bit disingenuous.
In fact, the Labour Party had already gone further in demands for universal suffrage than the WSPU by 1908. By 1917, through the very madness inspired by being a tiny pressure group, controlled by an unelected clique with bright ideas and no accountability, the WSPU destroyed themselves and what meaningfully survived were groups advocating mass engagement through the Labour Party and the Communist Party.
Civil rights activists, on the other hand, were part of a mass organisation that in many instances acted like a political party – regular and mass meetings, a clear political programme from a definite point of view, with well-known legislative demands. They may have started out as isolated kooks, but their relationship to the mass organisations of labour, to the Democratic Party mechanisms and their attitude to organising made them much more than that.
That they didn’t take this to its conclusion is part of the reason the movement fell apart.
These are attitudes nowhere evident in Give Your Vote, nor in many of the other pressure groups that have crossed our paths. For my part, I don’t see a future for this beyond the odd newspaper headline from a gushing columnist or two, infatuated with the thought of a vote beind had by a tiny proportion of the starving millions and reassured that they themselves aren’t being called on to do or advocate anything terribly radical.
Hi Dave are you ok, reading your proze iz normally eztheticaly pleazing but today you seem to be unafraid of Americanz.
I have changed “publicize” back to its correct spelling. I’ve been saying for a while now that reading things online is having a negative effect on my English.
I don’t for a moment think this idea will for a moment take off on the scale necessary to effect change, and broadly I agree with you, especially with your second reason.
But playing devil’s advocate for a moment, imagine if it did take off. Imagine if political parties were competing for the votes of hundreds of proxy voters from Bangladesh in every marginal constituency. Wouldn’t that have a massive and welcome impact on the position of all mainstream political parties towards climate change?
Only if they vote the right way. Politicians already compete to be the ‘greenest’ and we already see how even the most reactionary policies can be ‘greenwashed’ – there’s nothing to say that this won’t simply be extended.
There’s also the argument that the people in the countries mentioned pay more attention to issues like religion and national identity than to global warming etc. One just has to look at some of the parties who run the parliaments there.
“There’s also the argument that the people in the countries mentioned pay more attention to issues like religion and national identity than to global warming etc.”
Wow. What are you basing this on?
Can we talk about people and not nationalities please?
And what is all this chat of take off? What does this project need to do to ‘succeed’? 5 million voters? Swinging the election? I thought we already agreed that you can’t swing it in a progressive way.
The point is to get people thinking beyond national democracy, no?
I’m basing it on, among other things, the rise of Islamist politics in some of these countries. I was talking in very general terms, of course, rather than implying that nationality was a cause of this.
I really think people are taking this far too literally.
Giving your vote to someone affected by UK policy is no solution to global inequality. And voting for any of the main parties (or any of the others for that matter) is certainly not going to solve it either.
But what it is doing is highlighting the massive and glaring flaw in our politics today: we live in a globalised world yet our ‘democratic’ institutions remain local.
For people in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Ghana that means the politicians they elect do not have power over some of the major issues that affect them.
For us in the UK, it means we participate in wars we don’t want, we can’t tax the bankers we bailout, and can’t push genuinely progressive politics because it’ll make our market unattractive to international capital.
For me give your vote is a smart protest vote, a gesture of solidarity and a way of saying we need to make our democracy relevant for today’s world.
It’s the opposite of Make Poverty History or any of the Bono-esque modes of charity and debt ‘forgiveness’. It’s saying we’re very happy to give money to those in the global south, but what would it mean to give power?
We didn’t make the biggest strides against poverty in the UK by increasing alms to the poor. It was political empowerment that led to the redistributive demands of universal healthcare and education.
That’s the radical call of this campaign – well the one that I take away, anyway.
I don’t know how literally we are or aren’t meant to take it Zubin. As I say above, this is a discussion I’m coming late too and I don’t know anything about the organisers. But reading over the FAQs on the site, they’re pretty adamant that it’s not supposed to be just symbolic.
Incidentally, I don’t see how passing our vote to people in Afghanistan etc highlights our lack of control over wars, taxes etc. Aren’t these the specifically national questions that GYV criticises national electorates for voting on the basis of? And passing our vote to others won’t change that.
Interesting commentary Dave, a couple of clarifications on Give Your Vote on the back of your criticisms.
Criticism 1: No matter who we vote for it won’t make a difference to global political inequity.
Give Your Vote is not a campaign about who we’re voting for. It’s about who votes. We’re talking about a global political inequality which comes down to a divide between those who are able to influence decisions which resonate globally and those who can’t. Democratise our global processes and enfranchise those who are affected by them.
If someone in Bangladesh is voting here, they are not just commentating on who they want to win, they are taking part in the decision making process which will ultimately affect them. To imagine that the use of your vote come down to marking a X on your ballot and then sitting back and watching those that you elected is a very dis-empowering way of viewing democracy. Critically those taking part in Give Your Vote in Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Ghana are engaging with the UK candidates – are questioning them. are debating their responses. laying out what these parties claim they can or can’t do for these global issues. It may be that none of the parties have the policies that are any good. But that’s not the point.
I think here the analogy of women’s liberation is fundamental. It doesn’t matter whether it was the labour party or the Suffragettes that turned popular opinion. The vote was never the end of the story. At the moment of universal suffrage most women were conservative with a capital and small ‘c’. Many were against women voting let alone the kinds of equality we see and expect now. Parties did not begin to offer them creches at work or maternity leave. It’s the work of almost a hundred years of political engagement by women that has evolved the policies that we see now. Women as voters. Women as the electorate.
You’re expecting civil society to birth a new progressive party from outside the system that can then ride new ground.
We’re talking about evolving the politics by way of including a new group of people, who don;t have to plead for someone to campaign on their behalf – but have the democratic right to influence these decisions themselves.
It seems we both have our idealisms.
Criticism 2: the cost of lightbulbs vs the sinking island argument – if the solution to climate change is more tax i’m not buying no matter what
If you’ve decided that giving those in developing countries more political control over the decisions that affect their lives is ultimately going to be detrimental to us here then you are also missing the point.
We’re already spending millions on AID and defense in these countries. How we spend that money to reach the objective that we’ve set out whether it be “stability in Afghanistan” or “alleviating poverty” is unlikely to be effective if these decisions are made in a Westminster bubble. Sometimes they are made naively sometimes they are made politically.
We can’t just shut the voices up that might offer us some difficult solutions – its not because i’m a liberal aristocrat that I think that. I think that because ultimately our lives are interconnected and as long as our trade, finance, climate and politics are global that will be the case.
And the solution is not getting people in the UK to give their votes away. That is an act that brings to light the lack of democracy in global decisions. An experiment. A call to action. A statement. A means of direct action. Because ultimately these are not debates we can have effectively on the national level alone. But the next level up does not exist yet. We could stand outside the UN with a banners and call on the compassion of a few global leaders. Or we can demand to be heard on the basis that in a democracy the power resides with the people. And those who are elected are borrowing their right to act from us.
Criticism 3: Give Your Vote is a flash in the pan. Come 6th May Give Your Vote will be over and there’s no sign that it ever happened.
We’re talking about a journey towards democracy that is not just national. It’s true we’re not offering up a institution that will embody this vision but first we need to create the civil society that inspires it. And between the thousands of people who are giving votes, taking votes and watching the process with excitement, we are seeing the first seed of that. And its just a seed. But its a start.
Thanks for coming over to chat about this May. If I stick with the format of the three major prongs of criticism, I don’t think my points have been sufficiently answered. Actually in terms of the first point, I think you’ve conceded my criticism without realising it.
You said,
Well exactly. My point was that this is a weakness, not a strength. Campaigning for people to vote, regardless of who they vote for, is self-defeating if what you want to do is challenge disenfranchisement around the world. It’s not a politically uninvolved, merely structural question. Who people vote for is the key.
Moreover, enfranchisement doesn’t result from being able to vote for one’s oppressor. Within any Western democracy, there are groups which are not empowered but are routinely scapegoated, victimized and excluded – all of them have the vote, but it hasn’t definitively changed key power relations of our society.
Not to say that I’m against giving the vote to everyone, everywhere – but this is an intensely political question, rather than a pre-condition of politics proper, that must be addressed within a framework that addresses power, class, social relations and other features of society, the economy etc at national and international levels, and provides an institution which can contest these issues by organising people to take a side; the side of the people you are concerned about in Ghana, Bangladesh etc, as well as the side of British workers.
In the case of women, change did not just evolve as a result of natural pressure from getting the vote. It was a result of women having the institution – in the case of the UK, the Labour Party and unions – and organising and being organised around that institution (whatever their deficiencies, which were legion). Even then, it came in fits and starts, marching in lock-step with the organisation and self-consciousness of other parts of society.
This type of self-consciousness, which was not predicated upon having the vote, caused women to go from being conservative (though I’d argue the toss that ‘most women’ were never any such thing) to being left-wing. I should hope that this example shows the need for definite political positions alongside taking an approach to the structure of our democracy. The two can’t be separated.
W.r.t. my second criticism, giving people abroad a say in our domestic politics (which is what GYV advocates, it doesn’t specify that foreign nations set up elected bodies to determine the uses to which our foreign aid budget will be put, though this course might be more fruitful) without pushing for an end to capitalism will be detrimental to Westerners.
It’s a zero sum game: less pollution, less production here – on the basis of capitalism – means less consumption, less jobs and a slower economy. There are groups which argue we can and should challenge this organisation of society along the lines of private property…but that’s not what GYV is about. You’re simply suggesting that the people in the affected countries should vote for which capitalist party they want to govern the continuing imbalance between the most powerful and weakest economies.
Again, this relates back to my point above. Democracy is a grand idea, but from the point of view of a participant seeking certain political ends, advocating the extension of that democracy is self-defeating unless it is tied to definite policy positions. We can support the principle of “no taxation without representation” (or in this case “no environmental externalities without representation”) but we’re not solving that problem or advocating step one to solving that problem if we don’t actually suggest what answers we think will solve the problem.
Lastly, criticism three is, I think, symbolic of where our political approaches differ. Civil society is a shapeless gloop that has nothing to do with achieving political ends. In fact, civil society consists of multiple groups that have competing interests – and by virtue of what you’ve said about war, poverty etc, you are opposed to some of those groups and aligned to others. You seem to have failed to recognize that.
That’s why you have no instituition that will embody your vision – because you’ve failed to take account of where you stand in relation to different parts of the whole. That is why I think GYV has no future.
@may – really don’t agree that women were conservative, pre universal suffrage, what are you basing that on?
@dave – what are your bright ideas to tame capitalism? can’t quite understand if you’re going for the anti-democracy, dictatorship of the bourgeoisie line or not. Surely if capitalism is global, or rather capital flows are, then so should democracy be.
If this was a similar campaign for the US elections would you still be making these arguments?
I think your points are really wide of the mark. It’s like saying taking direct action against a coal train is not going to stop climate change. Does that mean we shouldn’t stop the coal train?
“That’s why you have no instituition that will embody your vision – because you’ve failed to take account of where you stand in relation to different parts of the whole. That is why I think GYV has no future.”
I should hope GYV has no future – it sounds like a rubbish way of doing politics. Bangladeshis voting on how we run the NHS?? Who would want a future for it? But as a way of taking action, I like it.
Zubin, I’m a socialist, a member of a socialist political party, a union activist and have a host of other roles which are aimed at organising people to control our society.
I agree that democracy should be global – I don’t agree that we can or should advocate democracy independent of other political concerns (as GYV attempts to position itself to do). And yes, I would argue this if there was a similar campaign for the US elections. Actually I recall there being a question of something similar during the last US election when media outlets ran global polls to see who the world would elect as US President.
As for my points being wide of the mark, you can think that all you like but you haven’t actually addressed all of my points.
Your analogy of stopping a coal train is useful; of course we shouldn’t stop the coal train. Coal is used to provide electricity and right now, across the world, there’s little provision for alternatives. Simply stopping coal is counter-productive. It’s no answer to climate change at all.
A mass movement, on the other hand, operating with a set of political demands, engaging key parts of the population – for example power plant workers, miners and other groups whose support we’ll need to force the coal industry and the government to accede to our demands – can have an impact on the causes of climate change with no need to do stupid things like stop the odd coal train.
W.r.t. your final paragraph, Zubin, I’m not sure your views are logically consistent. If GYV is a rubbish way of ‘doing politics’, what is the value of it “as a way of taking action”? Isn’t ‘doing politics’ synonymous with ‘taking action’?
I’m not against the idea of ‘Give Your Vote’. It makes sense to me that people in other countries who may live or die as a result of British government policy should have a say in it. In that sense it’s pretty admirable for people to give up their vote.
The problem with it is that people in other countries may have as little idea about what different candidates and parties here actually stand for or have actually done when in office than we would have voting in an election in their country (or even less due to lack of internet access etc)