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		<title>By: susan press</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[susan press]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think  some of the points regarding the LRC  are pretty unfair. 
Speaking as  the person to form the first regional LRC in 2007, I agree it&#039;s been an uphill struggle. But you can&#039;t  blame the leadership if at a grassroots level people aren&#039;t prepared to put in the work to build the LRC locally. 
We&#039;ve tried twice to launch groups in Greater Manchester, I have offered to speak at various CLPs (including Adam&#039;s)  and  gone to as many meetings as I could but if people  won&#039;t  build from the  bottom it&#039;s v dificult to progress things. 
I have also  been  responsible for bringing he LRC National Committee out of London - individuals who complain about everything alwoays beung down there were notable  by their absence. 
The comments re John McDonnell not building coalitioms are also way off the mark - do people actually realise how right-wing and supine the PLP  now is. There is a massive resistance to  the Labour Left, still. It is onoy by  outting in the work, becoming councillors,  PPCs and  changing the composition of Labour&#039;s Westminster representatives we have a  hope . So, yes, a new generation is needed. 
But, at the risk of soundimg  irritated, blogging is no substitute for real-time activity. Look forward to seeing some of you at the LRC events at TUC and LP Conferenmce in Manchester]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think  some of the points regarding the LRC  are pretty unfair.<br />
Speaking as  the person to form the first regional LRC in 2007, I agree it&#8217;s been an uphill struggle. But you can&#8217;t  blame the leadership if at a grassroots level people aren&#8217;t prepared to put in the work to build the LRC locally.<br />
We&#8217;ve tried twice to launch groups in Greater Manchester, I have offered to speak at various CLPs (including Adam&#8217;s)  and  gone to as many meetings as I could but if people  won&#8217;t  build from the  bottom it&#8217;s v dificult to progress things.<br />
I have also  been  responsible for bringing he LRC National Committee out of London &#8211; individuals who complain about everything alwoays beung down there were notable  by their absence.<br />
The comments re John McDonnell not building coalitioms are also way off the mark &#8211; do people actually realise how right-wing and supine the PLP  now is. There is a massive resistance to  the Labour Left, still. It is onoy by  outting in the work, becoming councillors,  PPCs and  changing the composition of Labour&#8217;s Westminster representatives we have a  hope . So, yes, a new generation is needed.<br />
But, at the risk of soundimg  irritated, blogging is no substitute for real-time activity. Look forward to seeing some of you at the LRC events at TUC and LP Conferenmce in Manchester</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 05:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But, and I think this should be stressed, the right socialist orientation is not to compromise on socialist aims to build that coalition with other factions in the PLP - it is to appeal to and organise the rank and file. The LRC is still only in the early stages of doing this, with the local groups that don&#039;t even cover most of England yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, and I think this should be stressed, the right socialist orientation is not to compromise on socialist aims to build that coalition with other factions in the PLP &#8211; it is to appeal to and organise the rank and file. The LRC is still only in the early stages of doing this, with the local groups that don&#8217;t even cover most of England yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;but as he puts it, he’s not a part of the “london dinner party circuit”

Isn&#039;t that Andy Burnham&#039;s line? Either way, as much as I appreciate John&#039;s distancing himself from the Labour norm over the past two decades, he hasn&#039;t performed as well as could be hoped in terms of building an electable coalition within the PLP which, like it or loath it, is an undeniably his fundamental weakness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but as he puts it, he’s not a part of the “london dinner party circuit”</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that Andy Burnham&#8217;s line? Either way, as much as I appreciate John&#8217;s distancing himself from the Labour norm over the past two decades, he hasn&#8217;t performed as well as could be hoped in terms of building an electable coalition within the PLP which, like it or loath it, is an undeniably his fundamental weakness.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam White (@theday2day)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam White (@theday2day)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the point on the LRC. We&#039;ve had a very positive presence in various campaigns outside of the party, but when it has come to organising for any kind of serious campaigning within the party, then there doesnt seem to be much success, or even effort some times.

My main interest in the LRC is the idea of bridging the party with the broader movement as Simon points out, bringing those two groups together in some way. On a local level, the branches (which do need to be more regularised, with more encouragement/assistance to members wishing to get branches going) essentially just operates as a forum again. This isnt necessarily a bad thing, as we get to co-ordinate with other like minded Comrades on local matters, which can then be presented to the broader, local party structure as a united front.

Many people have often commented to me that they arent satisfied with what the LRC is (or isnt) doing, but when pressed further it becomes clear that theyre not sure what they expect from the LRC in the first place, which is something, as a member, I would have to confess to feeling at times.

Simon, on your point about John, he does his best to raise his profile, but as he puts it, he&#039;s not a part of the &quot;london dinner party circuit&quot;, and finds the quest for media coverage an uphill struggle. I&#039;ve wondered wether or not the LRC would benefit from some advice regarding communications strategy, from someone who actually knows what theyre talking about. But I think Hopi hit the nail on the head really in pointing out that we should be looking to our councils, and TU branches for organisational leadership as opposed to the PLP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the point on the LRC. We&#8217;ve had a very positive presence in various campaigns outside of the party, but when it has come to organising for any kind of serious campaigning within the party, then there doesnt seem to be much success, or even effort some times.</p>
<p>My main interest in the LRC is the idea of bridging the party with the broader movement as Simon points out, bringing those two groups together in some way. On a local level, the branches (which do need to be more regularised, with more encouragement/assistance to members wishing to get branches going) essentially just operates as a forum again. This isnt necessarily a bad thing, as we get to co-ordinate with other like minded Comrades on local matters, which can then be presented to the broader, local party structure as a united front.</p>
<p>Many people have often commented to me that they arent satisfied with what the LRC is (or isnt) doing, but when pressed further it becomes clear that theyre not sure what they expect from the LRC in the first place, which is something, as a member, I would have to confess to feeling at times.</p>
<p>Simon, on your point about John, he does his best to raise his profile, but as he puts it, he&#8217;s not a part of the &#8220;london dinner party circuit&#8221;, and finds the quest for media coverage an uphill struggle. I&#8217;ve wondered wether or not the LRC would benefit from some advice regarding communications strategy, from someone who actually knows what theyre talking about. But I think Hopi hit the nail on the head really in pointing out that we should be looking to our councils, and TU branches for organisational leadership as opposed to the PLP.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Semple</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Simon.

And as usual I think Aaron Kiely is full of gushy crap. In the face of a Labour contest in which the actual socialist - rather than Abbott - was excluded by cynical (and piously justified) machinations of the PLP elite, it bears some doing to declare that suddenly the party is becoming more pluralistic.

It&#039;s also not what the article is saying; the article is a demand for pluralism.

Surrender your pom-poms at the door; no zealot like a convert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Simon.</p>
<p>And as usual I think Aaron Kiely is full of gushy crap. In the face of a Labour contest in which the actual socialist &#8211; rather than Abbott &#8211; was excluded by cynical (and piously justified) machinations of the PLP elite, it bears some doing to declare that suddenly the party is becoming more pluralistic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also not what the article is saying; the article is a demand for pluralism.</p>
<p>Surrender your pom-poms at the door; no zealot like a convert.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My most obvious observation would be that the left needs an effective means of organisation, one which builds the necessary bridges both with centrist party insiders but also with the large mass of like minded individuals outside the party who feel disenfranchised by the spectre of New Labour.

The LRC, to date, has not been particuarly inspiring in this role (although it has the right idea in terms of combining labour members with critically supporting outsiders) and as much as I admire John McDonnell and believe he would have made a vastly superior spokeman for socialiam than Diane, the reality is he has simply failed to use the last three years (or more) to set himself up as a plausible leadership candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My most obvious observation would be that the left needs an effective means of organisation, one which builds the necessary bridges both with centrist party insiders but also with the large mass of like minded individuals outside the party who feel disenfranchised by the spectre of New Labour.</p>
<p>The LRC, to date, has not been particuarly inspiring in this role (although it has the right idea in terms of combining labour members with critically supporting outsiders) and as much as I admire John McDonnell and believe he would have made a vastly superior spokeman for socialiam than Diane, the reality is he has simply failed to use the last three years (or more) to set himself up as a plausible leadership candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronKiely</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14143</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AaronKiely]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, I think the party is becoming more pluralistic and becoming all the better for it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I think the party is becoming more pluralistic and becoming all the better for it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny H</title>
		<link>http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/31/labour-left-finds-unlikely-guru/#comment-14085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sunny H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agreed]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed</p>
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