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A pick of the Anders Breivik conspiracy theories

When something as tragic as lone terrorism, shootings and bomb attacks take place, a very small, and very uninfluential contingent of people on the internet invent narratives to make the truth appear more exciting. These are conspiracy theorists, and as such boring people as they mostly are, they are precisely the wrong candidates for trying to explain the world in a wholly spun way.

Breivik set up Facebook and Twitter accounts only a few days before his destruction, both with single messages saying:

AndersBBreivik Anders B. Breivik
One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests.

On Facebook, now taken down, he describes himself as a Christian and a conservative. Interests include hunting, body building and freemasonry.

The inclusion of freemasonry has seen David Icke’s followers react like children in a sweet shop.

(This photo, taken of Breivik in his freemason clothing, has spun their heads beyond belief):

A senior member of the David Icke forum has cited a line from Breivik’s wikipedia page – “He is also described as a one-time freemason” – which on inspection has obviously been removed or was never there at all. Even the cached version doesn’t include this line. The member goes on to say:

Now we just need to hear the classic Masonic explanations. That he is one single corrupt apple or the system his order are subsumed under are not like our system………..

Another senior member, joeblow, has noted:

He was part of the Jewish anti-Muslim movement in Europe by way of the Fjordman Organization

Fjordman for those who don’t know is an anonymous anti-Islam blogger in Norway, who is also pro-Zionist.

It is not entirely clear what joeblow’s opinions are exactly, but he cites a website which opines:

Anders Behring Breivik har, enligt egna uppgifter, tidigare drivit bloggen Fjordman och har senare under många år varit skribent för de antimuslimska och sionistiska bloggarna Gates of Vienna och Jihad Watch under pseudonymen Fjordman.

(English translation – Google Translate) Anders Behring Breivik has its own two lone Task, former drivit Fjordman blog and has later the for many years been a writer for the antimuslimska och sionistiska bloggarna Gates of Vienna och Jihad Watch under the pseudonym Fjordman.

The implication being that Breivik was actually an anonymous contributor to the pro-Zionist blog Jihad Watch – which is run by Robert Spencer, who along with Pamela Gellar co-founded Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) and the Freedom Defense Initiative.

On that blog today, the topic of Breivik was raised, where a great many comments wondered whether he himself was actually Muslim or closet-Muslim. Edmund Standing posted a few select comments from the comments earlier:

George:

If this guy is a muslim, closet-muslim or muslim sympathizer, I hope Norwegian officialdom doesn’t cover-up for him–which is to say, cover-up for themselves…

vladdy:

I would not put it past a jihadist group to either recruit and frame a Norwegian or for some other story to shake out. It’s just too neat, isn’t it? “Well, he was one of those anti-muslim racists, y’ know.” Would make things ever so much easier for the elites, including the media, wouldn’t it?

Mr Sanity:

There is always the possibility that he is a muslim convert trying to get his jihadi killing in, and at the same time, false-flag the attacks to put “islamophobes” in a bad light.

Truthiocity.blogspot.com:

I don’t know if this shooter in Norway was a lone nut but it is quite possible he was manipulated into doing this. That is if he is not secretly a left winger or muslim convert.

j_not_a:

Going out on a limb here, I wouldn’t count islam out of this yet … this just smells too much of an islamic jihadi attack.

wildjew:

I have a hard time believing one white man accomplished all this carnage. I think it best to wait and see how this shakes out.

Battle_of_Tours:

There will be an Islamic jihad connection in there somewhere, probably down some layers of his contacts, if he’s not a recent convert. Looks too much like “sudden jihad syndrome”, and too much like a White blond plant Gaddafi and others threatened to send to Europe by the boatload for Jihad against the West.

You can scream at the top of your voice, until you go blue in the face – that this was not an act of Jihadi terrorism, but for some people the simple narrative is just not exciting enough.

On the other hand, he has been known to support white supremacist organisations on comments threads of blogs – according to this report – one in particular being Nordisk, a Swedish Neo-Nazi forum, for which Breivik was a member.

All or none of the conspirators could be correct, but on either side of those who think Breivik is a Jewish, Zionist apologist or an Islamic Neo-Nazi forum lurker, the simplest narrative is not enough, and Occam’s Razor is none too sharp.

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  1. July 23, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “Occam’s Razor” that should be :-)

    • July 23, 2011 at 4:51 pm

      D’oh. Would you believe me if I told you it refers to the little known Dave Ockham, theorist and second-rate commentator on simple analysis?

  2. Edgar
    July 23, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    The guy does seem like an an archetype to me – Far right, virulent anti Muslim therefore pro Zionist. We see the same types in the EDL. That hate will inevitably have consequences. The far right are a serious threat.

    Though yes let us wait for more information.

    • July 23, 2011 at 5:14 pm

      I view EDL Zionism in the same way I do Nick Griffin’s supposed Zionism; it is a useful stick to beat Muslims with, though it is seldom anything other than naive and built on sand.

  3. skidmarx
    July 23, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Both spellings are considered acceptable. Or Hockham, but that form is probably on borrowed time.
    I would have thought the freemasonry thing would enable a “he’s connected to the Assassins via the Knights Templar” thing.
    Of course the worldwide conspiracy of conspirators has already moved the newscycle on by offing another 27 year old musician.

    [Views expressed in this comment not those of it's author]

  4. SimonJCP
    July 23, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    You guys don’t get it. You’ve never gotten it, either. You attempt to come up with all of these psychological reasons why people believe in “conspiracy theories”, but it’s merely a way to avoid addressing the evidence being discussed.

    Here are some questions for you:

    –Why would a lone terrorist intending to cause damage to the Labor government target downtown Oslo on a public holiday, when many people would have been absent from their posts?

    –Why do some reports state that there were two explosions, and why do others report that an explosion occurred INSIDE the Verdens Gang (VG) building?

    –How were the police able to determine that a bomb had gone off within an hour? The second attack had not yet happened, and there was still complete chaos in the streets of Oslo. The corpses had not even been removed from the scene.

    –A dynamite expert reported to an alternative paper that the visual evidence suggests to him that the explosion occurred underground. Particularly, he made this conclusion because the ground was raised. How would a lone nut be allowed access to the underground and be able to plant a device there unnoticed? Is it just a coincidence that “sewer/construction work” has been going on in that precise area in the days prior to this?

    –Why did ABC and Yahoo News credit the Oslo video they used in their clip to “xds123″, a YouTube channel that has no uploads and that has not been active in three months. Why did the mainstream media lie about the origin of their footage?

    –Is it just a coincidence that the blast occurred in close proximity to (inside, according to some reports) a building belonging to the Verdens Gang, which employed a photographer who was involved in 9/11 photo forgery?

    –Is it just a coincidence that police ran a live bombing exercise in Oslo two days before the attacks?

    The Norway attacks are nothing more than a false-flag operation designed to galvanize support for the War on Terror. It is another staged event designed to further this sordid play.

    • Norbo
      August 14, 2011 at 9:55 pm

      The Norway attacks are nothing more than a false-flag operation designed to galvanize support for the War on Terror. It is another staged event designed to further this sordid play.

      That is a very extreme claim! How would you go about to organize something like that, involving so many people and institutions without anything leaking out? To “stage” the biggest police investigation of the history of Norway? To “hire” a man to kill innocent teenagers on a political youth camp? In his manifesto, Brevik himself explains everything. He did this ALONE, mostly because of the risk of being caught in the planning phase.

  5. tim f
    July 23, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Sorry for lowering the tone, but I’d like to point out that Freemasons look like dicks in their costumes.

  6. TruthHurts
    July 24, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Firstly, before you get trigger happy with the ‘delete comment’ command, I’ve read your comment policy and will state for the record that I bear no affiliation to any political group, movement, league, gathering or ideology. My opinions are solely my own and should not be considered in line with any others, least of all politically motivated parties. I am strictly secular and apolitical. Now that’s out of the way, if you’re still reading…

    I don’t have a problem, for the most part, with your summary of the conspiracy theories surrounding these most recent of tragedies, after all conspiracy theories, as the name suggests are just that; theories. Much infighting can be seen amongst those with differing theories all over the internet – there’s no exact science to being a theorist; though there are many who make great livings from theorizing within other fields. I do, however, find your vitriolic assessment of a conspiracy theorist to be misinformed, but not unusual from those with any kind of political alignment, which is where the problem begins – much akin to the shooter in question! I hope you’ll allow one of those ‘conspiracy theorists’ the opportunity to retort.

    To say “a very small, and very uninfluential contingent of people on the internet invent narratives to make the truth appear more exciting. These are conspiracy theorists, and as such boring people as they mostly are, they are precisely the wrong candidates for trying to explain the world in a wholly spun way.” is an extremely narrow and malformed view of both a) who a ‘conspiracy theorist’ is and b) what a conspiracy is and c) the sphere of influence owned by such ‘theorists’ and theories. There is, in conflict with your opener, a very large contingent of ‘conspiracy theorists’ online )no doubt offline too), I won’t bore you with the statistics I’m sure you know what Google and Alexa both do and how you can assess the visitation and participation on such websites for yourself. Try ATS or GLP as keywords, just for starters. You obviously read such boards yourself.

    As for ‘uninfluential’, I recall a certain 45-minute dossier purported by some political party or other (who could that have been?) which, as it turned out thanks to the persistence of such ‘uninfluential’ types, was eventually proven to be a fabrication of the truth by a group with an agenda – a ‘conspiracy’, if you will.

    Of course, this is just one example of such conspiracies, based on theories, and later proven accurate. Another, one might consider, multi-faceted conspiracy involving journalists, top-level police officers and, of course, there’s that political party again, would be some kind of phone hacking scandal.

    Every time you smear the opposition party, you yourself become a conspiracy theorist. You may loosely base your opinions on fact, but you can never quite have all the pieces of the puzzle, and so you theorize.

    The only dirty part of the term ‘conspiracy theorist’ is ‘conspiracy’. I suggest you re-think your stance on just how you portray a significant portion of your fellow constituents in your blog, detailing your uber-boring affiliations to perhaps the most virulent conspirators in the history of this poor nation afflicted by their conspiratorial actions.

  7. Edgar
    July 24, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Simon,

    “Why would a lone terrorist intending to cause damage to the Labor government target downtown Oslo on a public holiday”

    Because he knew that only government people would be arond. This was a political act even if it was the act of a nutter.

    “Why do some reports state that there were two explosions”

    Can you source these reports please?

    “How were the police able to determine that a bomb had gone off within an hour?”

    Maybe because of the level of damage and the fact alll the windows had been blown out. I think they ruled out a strong gust of wind early on.

    “A dynamite expert reported to an alternative paper that the visual evidence suggests to him that the explosion occurred underground.”

    Surely a dynamite expert would not make such rash judgements without visiting the scene?

    “Is it just a coincidence that the blast occurred in close proximity to (inside, according to some reports) a building belonging to the Verdens Gang”

    Who knows? I would want more evidence than this before proclaiming without doubt that this was, to use your words, “nothing more than a false-flag operation”. I guess this is where conspiracy comes into it, leaping to some conclusion with very little evidence or research involved. Any good investigative process involves a great deal of leg work, whereas you just come on here telling us without doubt this is an inside job. That may wash with the idiots on the Roswell was real blogs but it doesn’t wash with the rest of us.

    Why can’t you just say, look guys I don’t know what happened but consider this……..?

    I am still waiting for someone to claim Murdoch ordered this and the Amy Winehouse killing to divert attention from his problems.

  8. July 24, 2011 at 8:57 am

    this was going on at the camp the day before, if he is not a zionist that would be quite a coincidence.

    http://t.co/ldFKdaJ

  9. tyke
    July 24, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Hilarious that the ‘conspiracy theorists’ are IMMEDIATELY getting burned, and that the mainstream media ALREADY has all the facts and everything as usual.

  10. Atradius
    July 25, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    How about this?

    Norway is, like Syria and Libya, in the singular position of having no state debts. While most countries around the world are heavily indebted to banks, there are a (very) few countries which aren’t. The reason for the non-indebtedness is, in the cases of the 3 mentioned countries pretty much the same – mineral oil.

    Gaddafi refused to take loans from bankers a while ago.

    Interestingly, thereafter, there have been “riots” in Syria and Libya.
    Now we have “terrorism” in Norway.

    If you are not sure how to connect the dots – a nation which is in debt to a bank is to (quite) some degree under the control of that bank.
    And if you see how much policies are being followed which can only lead to more national debts, you can not shut your eyes to see that it is next to impossible to be “accidental” – the policies and laws are passed to get the state to be more indebted, and so to be more under control of the bankers, and make them richer and more powerful. And the “catastrophes” occuring such as Ireland and Greece being bankrupt play nicely into the same pot, with the EU forced to take even more loans to dish out “help” to these countries.

    Additionally, The headlines already now came into the media that “questions have been raised” about the national security against terrorism in Europe.
    Everyone knows what happened in the US after Sept 11 bombings, no matter who did them -an increase of control over the individual by the state, or, for that matter, large organizations. A very costly endeavor. And very good to increase the power of a few over the masses. And international bankers have always given a helping hand and played a big role in that type of endeavor. It doesn’t even matter how the bombings were done – the larger goal is obviously this seizure of control over individuals.

    If you theorize of background agendas, this is one to take into account.

    And it is vital that we keep the eyes open, and no matter how fanciful sometimes theories sound – can we afford to crush the individual? For the sake of monetary interests of a few “at the top”? The individual is the building block of every society and without free individuals you have only robots and slaves. Every outcry against this is absolutely necessary and vital.

  11. IDB
    July 25, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Conspiracy people are totally nuts, if someone is not overtly anti Israeli they are instantly denounced as a Zionist. Anything near Freemasonry they are denounced as a Zionist Freemason, conspiracy theories is much like the area just beyond the event horizon round a black hole except instead of physics breaking down it’s anything approaching sanity!

  12. NorOlaf
    July 28, 2011 at 2:09 am

    Dear SimonDCP
    Here are some answers for you:

    –Why would a lone terrorist intending to cause damage to the Labor government target downtown Oslo on a public holiday, when many people would have been absent from their posts?

    This was not done on a public holiday. The buildings targeted were government buildings, where the Labor government now holds office. The camp at Utoya lasts for one week, hence the week was given as he wanted to coordinate the attacks. Why Friday, nobody knows, media publicity maybe.

    –Why do some reports state that there were two explosions, and why do others report that an explosion occurred INSIDE the Verdens Gang (VG) building?

    This was reported by a Norwegian journalist on air in the the in the chaos after the blast. However the information he got was wrong, within minutes it was corrected and confirmed that there was no second bomb.

    –How were the police able to determine that a bomb had gone off within an hour? The second attack had not yet happened, and there was still complete chaos in the streets of Oslo. The corpses had not even been removed from the scene.

    Building work were going on in the building and the most likely explanation would be a gas explosion. The damage of the blast however ruled out a gas explosion.

    –A dynamite expert reported to an alternative paper that the visual evidence suggests to him that the explosion occurred underground. Particularly, he made this conclusion because the ground was raised. How would a lone nut be allowed access to the underground and be able to plant a device there unnoticed? Is it just a coincidence that “sewer/construction work” has been going on in that precise area in the days prior to this?

    A huge hole in the ground is most viable outside the building. This might be why he thought so. However it was confirmed that it was a car bomb.

    –Why did ABC and Yahoo News credit the Oslo video they used in their clip to “xds123″, a YouTube channel that has no uploads and that has not been active in three months. Why did the mainstream media lie about the origin of their footage?

    No idea.

    –Is it just a coincidence that the blast occurred in close proximity to (inside, according to some reports) a building belonging to the Verdens Gang, which employed a photographer who was involved in 9/11 photo forgery?

    Yes that is just a coincidence. The building where the prime minister has his office is close to Akersgata where most most national newspapers are located. The bomb where outside the building where the prime minister has his office not Verdens Gang.

    –Is it just a coincidence that police ran a live bombing exercise in Oslo two days before the attacks?

    Most likely. The police has exercises on different scenarios frequently. About a year ago a huge exercise where carried out as well. Terrorism has been focused on in Norway, since the attacks in Sweden and Denmark.

    The Norway attacks are nothing more than a false-flag operation designed to galvanize support for the War on Terror. It is another staged event designed to further this sordid plan.

    Well that is you opinion. However, I find it rather unlikely that the ruling party would blow up their own offices and kill their future leaders, in addition to a lot of other kids to *Galvanize support for the war on terror* (FYI: All leader in the Labour party has participated at the Utoya camp in their youth, and frequently participate in workshops there)

    Best Regards
    Olaf

  13. 333
    July 28, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Another boring person that thinks their dire drivel, is worth reading. You would actually try and make a living out of this (?), I’m sure there are many in agreement with your mindset. So sadly, inevitably you will attract an audience. . .

    Don’t you respond to comments, such as the one from SimonDCP?

  14. April 18, 2012 at 9:56 am

    It’s interesting reading the comments from “SimonJCP” and “TruthHurts” given that Brevik has happily accepted he was responsible.

    I guess this means that he’s clearly part of the conspiracy to drum-up support for the War Against Terror; a “patsy” if you must… After all, it couldn’t be the case that the David Icke/conspiracy nuts were wrong, could it?

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