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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by Mehdi Hasan</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hilariously bad blogpost. I couldn&#039;t resist but post a few comments in response to this piss-poor attempt at a hatchet job on me by &quot;Mr Raincoat&quot;:

1) &quot;he is against western intervention whatever the circumstances, and that can never change.&quot;

Really? Where have I ever said these words? &quot;Whatever the circumstances&quot; eh? Hmm. Thanks for putting words in my mouth in the very first sentence of the very first paragraph. I&#039;ve written countless words on the Middle East and war-and-peace, why not use those rather than invent views for me to then conveniently shoot down? 

2) &quot;So no matter how long he spends on looking at the operational difficulties a coalition of willing nations would have, it’s all for nothing, since his first principles override reason.&quot;

Really? Why? Why is it wrong to say that 1) it isn&#039;t our job to topple Assad - it just isn&#039;t, not just on legal grounds, but logistical/pragmatic grounds too - but that 2) if there was something militarily we could do to prevent massacres/genocide without increasing the overall bloodshed or making things much worse for the country and the region in the medium-to-long-term, it&#039;s worth considering. Are those two things so irreconcilable or contradictory? I don&#039;t happen to think so.

3) Yes I am &quot;instinctively opposed to western military interventions in the Middle East&quot;. What&#039;s wrong with that? Am proud to say it. It&#039;s no smoking gun. Given our track record in the region, most obviously Iraq, why wouldn&#039;t I be? Is it better to be instinctively pro-war, like you? Anyone who cares about human rights and avoiding death should be worried about western interventions which tend to be human-rights disasters and increase death tolls - especially in the Middle East. What&#039;s wrong with &quot;instinctively&quot; preferring negotiations and nonviolent, diplomatic alternatives to war and conflict in the world&#039;s most tense region? I guess you&#039;d have a go at MLK too. Oh, and it doesn&#039;t mean &quot;instinct&quot; is &quot;all I have&quot;. Don&#039;t put words in my mouth.

4) You claim to &quot;listen to the people in Syria&quot;. Really? Then what do you say to Haytham al-Manna, lead spokesman of the anti-intervention National Coordinating Committee (NCC), who I quote in my NS column? And why is it in this whole blogpost you don&#039;t (can&#039;t?) actually deal with the points I make in my column, but would rather deal with a strawman version of me and my arguments?

http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2012/02/syria-assad-intervention

5) &quot;On the Middle East, I honestly fail to see why he is listened to at all by anyone other than those on the fringes.&quot;

This is my favourite line. It&#039;s basically: &quot;Stop listening to Mehdi Hasan! Listen to me instead!&quot; Awww, poor you. Are you feeling unloved? Do you wish more people would listen to you? One day, you&#039;ll be lifted off the fringes. I promise. Just not yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilariously bad blogpost. I couldn&#8217;t resist but post a few comments in response to this piss-poor attempt at a hatchet job on me by &#8220;Mr Raincoat&#8221;:</p>
<p>1) &#8220;he is against western intervention whatever the circumstances, and that can never change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? Where have I ever said these words? &#8220;Whatever the circumstances&#8221; eh? Hmm. Thanks for putting words in my mouth in the very first sentence of the very first paragraph. I&#8217;ve written countless words on the Middle East and war-and-peace, why not use those rather than invent views for me to then conveniently shoot down? </p>
<p>2) &#8220;So no matter how long he spends on looking at the operational difficulties a coalition of willing nations would have, it’s all for nothing, since his first principles override reason.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? Why? Why is it wrong to say that 1) it isn&#8217;t our job to topple Assad &#8211; it just isn&#8217;t, not just on legal grounds, but logistical/pragmatic grounds too &#8211; but that 2) if there was something militarily we could do to prevent massacres/genocide without increasing the overall bloodshed or making things much worse for the country and the region in the medium-to-long-term, it&#8217;s worth considering. Are those two things so irreconcilable or contradictory? I don&#8217;t happen to think so.</p>
<p>3) Yes I am &#8220;instinctively opposed to western military interventions in the Middle East&#8221;. What&#8217;s wrong with that? Am proud to say it. It&#8217;s no smoking gun. Given our track record in the region, most obviously Iraq, why wouldn&#8217;t I be? Is it better to be instinctively pro-war, like you? Anyone who cares about human rights and avoiding death should be worried about western interventions which tend to be human-rights disasters and increase death tolls &#8211; especially in the Middle East. What&#8217;s wrong with &#8220;instinctively&#8221; preferring negotiations and nonviolent, diplomatic alternatives to war and conflict in the world&#8217;s most tense region? I guess you&#8217;d have a go at MLK too. Oh, and it doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;instinct&#8221; is &#8220;all I have&#8221;. Don&#8217;t put words in my mouth.</p>
<p>4) You claim to &#8220;listen to the people in Syria&#8221;. Really? Then what do you say to Haytham al-Manna, lead spokesman of the anti-intervention National Coordinating Committee (NCC), who I quote in my NS column? And why is it in this whole blogpost you don&#8217;t (can&#8217;t?) actually deal with the points I make in my column, but would rather deal with a strawman version of me and my arguments?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2012/02/syria-assad-intervention" rel="nofollow">http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2012/02/syria-assad-intervention</a></p>
<p>5) &#8220;On the Middle East, I honestly fail to see why he is listened to at all by anyone other than those on the fringes.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is my favourite line. It&#8217;s basically: &#8220;Stop listening to Mehdi Hasan! Listen to me instead!&#8221; Awww, poor you. Are you feeling unloved? Do you wish more people would listen to you? One day, you&#8217;ll be lifted off the fringes. I promise. Just not yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by OSK &#187; Happy Valentine’s Day, Cherie?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OSK &#187; Happy Valentine’s Day, Cherie?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by OSK &#187; Sense of Proportion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OSK &#187; Sense of Proportion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by OSK &#187; Ethical Dilemmas Arising in Journalist and Police Relationships</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OSK &#187; Ethical Dilemmas Arising in Journalist and Police Relationships]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Austin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s quite a comprehension fail you achieved there. The killing of the prisoners by decapitation was carried out by the govt militia, the Shabiha. The phone was then captured by the FSA, and that video was shown to Paul Wood.

The FSA then went on to shoot the captured Shabiha, but at least that&#039;s a quick death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite a comprehension fail you achieved there. The killing of the prisoners by decapitation was carried out by the govt militia, the Shabiha. The phone was then captured by the FSA, and that video was shown to Paul Wood.</p>
<p>The FSA then went on to shoot the captured Shabiha, but at least that&#8217;s a quick death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by stuffie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stuffie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the British interest in expending blood and treasure toppling Assad?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the British interest in expending blood and treasure toppling Assad?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by Jeremy Poynton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy Poynton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A pale grey typeface on a white is very difficult for anyone with poor eyesight to read. 

Hint. There is a reason books are printed in BLACK and white.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pale grey typeface on a white is very difficult for anyone with poor eyesight to read. </p>
<p>Hint. There is a reason books are printed in BLACK and white.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by Dragonfighter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dragonfighter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely occidentalism?, since orient means East?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely occidentalism?, since orient means East?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mehdi Hasan admits that he speaks but nothing comes out by Bill Quango MP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Quango MP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was very little excuse during the Yugoslav job?

Wow! Even for a historical revisionist I bet you have to rip out whole passages out of the 1990&#039;s history books to make that inaccurate statement fit your rather blinkered world view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was very little excuse during the Yugoslav job?</p>
<p>Wow! Even for a historical revisionist I bet you have to rip out whole passages out of the 1990&#8242;s history books to make that inaccurate statement fit your rather blinkered world view.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The incomplete state: Charles Tilly and the defence of aid to India by paulinlancs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulinlancs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rory

Sorry, missed this.

There are no easy answers, clearly. I\m planning a part 2 to this in which to examine precisely the &#039;what we do&#039; question you raise, but in the end it&#039;s not possible to recreate artificially the conditions under which peaceful, &quot;full&quot; states formed - we only have one human history.  I suspect the best answer we have is to address the best way forward on a case by case basis, but of course any &quot;addressing&quot; is beset by the question of who does the addressing and how a new form of colonialism is avoided.

More later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rory</p>
<p>Sorry, missed this.</p>
<p>There are no easy answers, clearly. I\m planning a part 2 to this in which to examine precisely the &#8216;what we do&#8217; question you raise, but in the end it&#8217;s not possible to recreate artificially the conditions under which peaceful, &#8220;full&#8221; states formed &#8211; we only have one human history.  I suspect the best answer we have is to address the best way forward on a case by case basis, but of course any &#8220;addressing&#8221; is beset by the question of who does the addressing and how a new form of colonialism is avoided.</p>
<p>More later.</p>
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